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post #331 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:11pm
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They haven't paid into it what they receive, no matter how you look at it. And the program is going broke because of this. 

 That's because the money is never set aside as a dedicated fund and allowed to work for the people. It gets thrown into the general piggybank and is a free for all for every politician and lobbyist who can get their hands on it.

Yep, not the fault of the people that payed in. Its a politician issue.

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post #332 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:11pm
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If, as you said earlier, the new law obliges you to buy private insurance, what's that got to do with taxes? Or are you taking the view that compulsory insurance is a tax?

That was why it went to the supreme court. To decide whether or not it was a fine or a tax when you get fined for not having health insurance.

post #333 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:12pm
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 All the people who can is no more than those already contributing to the tax burden of this country...In other words, the producers will just carry a heavier load than they already do......How does that fit into Obama's definition of fairness? I know he repeated that word several times in his High Five speech on Thurs.

 

If, as you said earlier, the new law obliges you to buy private insurance, what's that got to do with taxes? Or are you taking the view that compulsory insurance is a tax?

If you do not buy the insurance you are fined... They call the fine a tax to get around laws.

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post #334 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:15pm
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None of you has yet experienced the effects of this new legislation but some are assuming the worst and inventing the rest. If you want to see how a developed State health care system can work for the benefit of both country and individuals, get a passport, buy a map to find the way out of your town and fly to Europe, Australia or New Zealand. You won't get free health care yourselves but you would be able to see how the system works and develop better informed views.

 

The argument against taxes for personal benefit is a dead duck. Don't you pay taxes for roads, for example? Or do you buy your own bit of road to get around on? What about the police force? Do each of you employ a policeman for your own personal benefit?

 

Can someone post, please, an official summary of what's being discussed here? I mean the health care law.

It's a tax on gasoline. If you rode a bicycle all your life, you'd get off free...Even some politicians are complaining about that.

 

 

 It's 2700 pages of legalese, designed for nothing but confusion, and overlapping bureaucracies. There is stuff in there that has absoultely nothing to do with healthcare.

 Additional tax on the profit of the sale of certain homes, The whole thing is designed as a huge money grab, and at the end of the day, when you can pay no more, they'll probably come for your property.


Edited by Royd - 6/30/12 at 8:21pm
post #335 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:15pm

i think the whole thing is stupid.. i say lock me up and then the goverment will have to give me free health care and food... this president is off his rocker. VOTE HIM OUT

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post #336 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:22pm
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Unfortunatly our legal system does not actually work off the "must be proven guilty" system that is was built on.

Especially not for the poor.

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post #337 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:26pm
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Yes, I understand that it's a compromise. Do you have a note of the provisions of the law that can be posted here?

gig.gif So you can read the bill? This is where most of the confusion and anger originates. No one knows what is really in it. It is 2000 pages long, and even the politicians are clueless about what they passed into law. 

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Stephanie in VA  3 kids, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and 14 chickens- hens: 2 leghorns, 2 golden comets,         2 australorps, 2 barred rocks, 1 NH Red, 1 LF buff brahma. Roosters: LF light brahma, 2 bantam cochins (1 black/multi colored frizzle, and one buff/red colored) blue orpington. My neighbors RIR rooster has recently moved in. I guess he is staying too 

post #338 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:27pm
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The new tax on people who dont currently need to use thier insurance, is also paying for it for them when they need it.

But people who can't afford it now can walk into any emergency room and get care. They are going to be doing the same thing and those who can pay, will just be paying more. 

 It is all nothing more than punitive class warfare.

post #339 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:38pm
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Wow! I wish the govt. would give me free money to encourage me to work. What a great concept....Sort of like free school loans to encourage you to study.

I understand the cynicism, but there are problems in our country, and I do believe this is one step that will has positive results.

 

We really should encourage educational pursuits, but this doesn't mean I agree with the current educational system. I'd love to see free education for nurses and doctors in exchange for services. Of course health care is expensive; doctors often end up with hundreds of thousands in student loan bills...  

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Stephanie in VA  3 kids, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and 14 chickens- hens: 2 leghorns, 2 golden comets,         2 australorps, 2 barred rocks, 1 NH Red, 1 LF buff brahma. Roosters: LF light brahma, 2 bantam cochins (1 black/multi colored frizzle, and one buff/red colored) blue orpington. My neighbors RIR rooster has recently moved in. I guess he is staying too 

post #340 of 935
6/30/12 at 8:41pm
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 It was and is a vote buying scheme, something for little of nothing. Another great concept.

ha..neither party would have support if they tried cutting Medicare....my point. People like it - government run health insurance. 

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Stephanie in VA  3 kids, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and 14 chickens- hens: 2 leghorns, 2 golden comets,         2 australorps, 2 barred rocks, 1 NH Red, 1 LF buff brahma. Roosters: LF light brahma, 2 bantam cochins (1 black/multi colored frizzle, and one buff/red colored) blue orpington. My neighbors RIR rooster has recently moved in. I guess he is staying too 

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