I think that a scenthound who sees no reason to bay will not make a peep. Same with Basenjis... My own quiet dog is a hound mix and when freaked out bays. Sometimes I will go WEEKS without hearing her make a sound. She's less talkative than my rabbits sometimes. And I like how you didn't eveen take note any of the other breeds or my own experience with dogs. Again - it's NOT about a bird that has a genetic mutation that messes with the vocal cords. It's about breeding birds with a temperment to NOT be inclined to make noise. It's a temperment/behavior issue which is still a genetic trait. And my GOODNESS haven't you ever studied evolution? I said ARTIFICIALLY through culling the birds who are the loudest! No by throwing a freaking rabid coon back there or chasing them around with a stick!
And actually... It's often people with smaller flocks who complain about the noisy birds I find. People talking about 5-15 birds and how they have X breed who is noisy.
And you're also WRONG about that. Most inner city areas have something called noise ordinances. Just about every city or township up here does. If an animal makes noise all day long and enough complaints get filed they can legally order you to shut it up or get rid of it... Chicken, dog, or anything else! Technically the city I am about to move to has no laws that would stop me from owning chickens but if the birds just screamed all day I would be fined or ordered to fix it or get rid of them. Since the only way to really "fix it" is chopping the bird's vocal cords I would be forced to get rid of my birds. These laws exist heavilly throughout urban areas and is a major source of concern for chicken owners. Also many chicken owners DON'T own their birds legally which while it's not nessicarially something I condone I suspect these people would be more interested in stealthier birds. And lastly quiet chickens lead to happier neighbors and potentially laws being changed to allow chickens in areas that do not currently allow them because suddenly it's possible to own a quiet chicken.
ok first i want to say i am a college student that studies genetic mutation and heredity of traits aka inheritance. i also show dogs a three way hound aka sighthound that also uses scent.
since dogs really are some of the best examples of pass and fail in genetics lets take a look at what you are saying.
you are saying we could breed for a bird that will be bred to be so mellow that it will never make a sound correct? are you aware personality is not inheritable? weak and unstable temperament is and it can crop up even in the best dog lines and those dogs are spayed and neutered and sent to pet not show homes.
No one here has called you an idiot, but they are going to tell you that noisiness isn't a trait you can breed for...because it isn't. Without having an in depth knowledge of genetics and a lab to find those markers (or alot of selective breeding for specific traits not just personality), this is a project that will take possibly more than a lifetime to achieve.
In addition, no one said you didn't have to worry about noise ordinances with chickens Just like no one can tell you that your dog getting in and out of the crate isn't going to bug the neighbors, no one here can tell you that your neighbors aren't going to complain about your chickens.
basenji's are not bred to be quiet it is a trait the breed had when it was discovered and they are not silent, they yodel and some hardly do it and others do it 24/7 despite every trick there owners come up with it depends on the animals personality. any scientist knows an animal personality and makeup is 50% nature and 50% nurture with a chicken it would probably be more like 50% nature 50% environment since you dont spend as much time with them as you would a dog.
my dog is as i said a sighthound that also uses scent i have a few friends with bloodhounds and when they want to be they can be exceptionally noisy some housing where i live will not allow ppl that own them to live there because the bay of these dogs was meant to be heard and they will do it even when not on the hunt sometimes just to get a reaction or complain on a walk that you are holding them back from visiting with a kid or another dog.
i have seen people with excellent lines of dogs still pull the ocassional pup with a personality problem and they are immediatly removed from the breeding population . the lines could have perfectly stable dogs as far back at 1800's and still throw a weak dog.
for chickens i will say this there are still ppl that can't breed out caeca yet either if you want a fool proof way of getting quiet birds since personality is pretty low on the inheritance tree a big proof is to look at yourself...
do you have your parents personality? how many ppl are exactly like their parents? most dogs arent and neither are most chickens we have quirks.
you would need to breed for a mutation or alter a group of unrelated roosters to make the gene and hope that it is dominant in their offspring even though if they were altered it wouldnt show up in the roosters themselves.or breed animals like our ancestors did you want a specific quality? you should breed for a softer voice, cull those that do not meet that expectation and continue to check them for pitch of the vocalizations until it is nearly non existent.
there is something to be said about personality yes but it takes longer and may still result in a bird that is weak nerved flighty and exceptionally vocal. breed for personality AND pitch and you will have a silent and generally relaxed birds with the ocassional freak.
not all hounds are created equal even from the best lines as i said you can get a dog just as easy as you can a bird thet defies the breeds standard temperament they are bred for. unstable dogs are not bred because no one wants to keep that in there lines therefor flighty birds should not be bred or overly vocal ones for what you desire.
add:most cities have a limit of 4 or less chickens...there is a HUGE difference in noise when you have 15 birds as opposed to 4 or 5.
Edited by WarrenHound - 6/30/12 at 3:32pm