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post #1 of 18
6/30/12 at 3:38pm
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this is a lemon (citron)...how would you get this coloring??

LemonMFdUccP.JPEG

 

and i also like this one (france) Mahogany Mille Fleur

 

MFMahoganyDUccleMFrance.JPEG


Edited by hdowden - 6/30/12 at 4:07pm

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post #2 of 18
6/30/12 at 4:01pm
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http://www.edelras.nl/belgians/genetics.htm

 

* There are many reasons why these basic guidelines are not followed, eg developing a new variety, developing disease resistant lines, to avoid inbreeding depression (infertility, etc), to improve type in a line & so on..... It is only a guide. 
* It is important to keep accurate records/pedigrees.

Colour Breeding Lines:
* Cuckoo, Black, Lavender
* Blue, Black, Splash
* Millefleur, Blue Millefleur, Golden Neck (Splash Millefleur)
* Porcelaine, Millefleur
* Quail, Blue Quail, Splash Quail
* Lavender Quail, Quail
* Silver Quail, Blue Silver Quail
* Lavender Silver Quail, Silver Quail
* Blue Mottled, Black Mottled
* Lavender Mottled, Black Mottled
* Buff Columbian (Fawn Ermine), Blue Buff Columbian
*Buff Columbian, Lavender Buff Columbian
*Columbian (Ermine), Blue Columbian
*Lavender Columbian, Columbian
* Silver Millefleur, Silver Porcelaine,
* Blue Silver Millefleur, Silver Millefleur
* Cream, Buff
* White

 

~ those in purple bold are the colors i currently have ...so is the golden neck considered the splash and if so how since it has no black on it?


Edited by hdowden - 6/30/12 at 4:05pm

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post #3 of 18
6/30/12 at 4:03pm

good luck

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post #4 of 18
6/30/12 at 8:39pm
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thanks :-)

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post #5 of 18
11/28/12 at 6:47pm

I love the Lemon!

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post #6 of 18
11/29/12 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by hdowden View Post

this is a lemon (citron)...how would you get this coloring??

LemonMFdUccP.JPEG

 

and i also like this one (france) Mahogany Mille Fleur

 

MFMahoganyDUccleMFrance.JPEG

 

None of your birds contain the genes needed to produce the lemon spangled mille fleur bird. You may get something similar to the mahogany mille if you cross a male mille over a black hen then cross the same male mille over his daughters. If the black carries the correct genes, then some of the birds will look similar to the bird in the picture. In the second cross you will have to hatch 20 birds. The males will look like the male in the picture and the females will be dark brown.

 

Remember this is a guess because I do not know the genetics behind the mahogany bird.

 

Tim


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post #7 of 18
11/29/12 at 1:28pm
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None of your birds contain the genes needed to produce the lemon spangled mille fleur bird. You may get something similar to the mahogany mille if you cross a male mille over a black hen then cross the same male mille over his daughters. If the black carries the correct genes, then some of the birds will look similar to the bird in the picture. In the second cross you will have to hatch 20 birds. The males will look like the male in the picture and the females will be dark brown.

 

Remember this is a guess because I do not know the genetics behind the mahogany bird.

 

Tim

Tim, which birds would you need/how would you create  the lemon mille fleur? Thanks!caf.gif

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post #8 of 18
11/29/12 at 4:43pm
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to get Mahogany Mille Fleur i was told to use mille fleur and black mottled...

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post #9 of 18
11/29/12 at 5:32pm

I found this. I think it might contain some use full information, but then again IDK. idunno.gif I really don't know that much about genetics... Can someone who knows a little more about Genetics than I "translate" smile.png

 

Once you get there you have to click on the link on the top left that says genetics. I couldn't get it to link directly to that page for some reason. 

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post #10 of 18
11/30/12 at 1:08am
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I found this. I think it might contain some use full information, but then again IDK. idunno.gif I really don't know that much about genetics... Can someone who knows a little more about Genetics than I "translate" smile.png

 

Once you get there you have to click on the link on the top left that says genetics. I couldn't get it to link directly to that page for some reason. 

http://belgians.edelras.nl/genetics.htm

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