Originally Posted by fowlman01
Originally Posted by mississippifarmboy
Close up of the cock's head
Full body view of the cock;
And one from the other side;
Two of the hens;
The illustrations in the black and white are better illustrations than those in the colored SOP with the exception of the 80 or so new ones by Katherine Plumer.
OK I have a few minutes before I go back outside and finsh preparing birds for our State Fair. Leaving at 5am tomorrow. The cock birds comb is not as nice as it looked far away, but it is not bad.if it is even on both sides of the head. He is way to light though. His wings need to come up. The hen look fine in these pictures, but it is hard to tell with pictures. If you show her you need to get rid of the black feathers. All of the birds look more barred than they do cuckoo. Barring as in the Plymouth Rocks is comprised on straight lines as these have. Cuckoo should have a definite V shape to the bars. That is what gives the random appearance to the cuckoo barring. Then there is the leg color. On my monitor they look too light.
Thanks again Walt. That is just the kind of info I needed. I know you can't really judge by a picture, but at least you are giving me things to look at. It's a learning curve for me. Thank you for taking the time to help me.
In case anyone else is following this thread I have a perfect example of how a new breeder can overlook the most obvious things; The barring. Now that you point it out and I'm looking at the pictures here on the screen and comparing them to the SOP I see that the V barring is all wrong, but like an idiot I totally missed that. The most obvious thing, but I missed it!
What I was seeing was the correct size, general type and shape, correct eyes and fair combs. To my admittedly untrained eye, the wings are a bit low, the tail on the cock is about 10% too high and too low on the hens, the cock is too light in color overall, the hens are not full enough on the breast and the legs are too light on all of them.
The legs are a bit more yellow than the pictures show, but are too light. All my yellow legged fowl are that way. I'm thinking that part might be my feed because all are hatched with very nice colored feet and legs but seem to fade within a few months. Even the RC RIRs... Some were around a year old when I brought them here and others several months old. All had very nice yellow legs, but all have faded out since.
I probably won't show these birds, but I do like them and if you think these flaws are something I can breed out, I might get into showing their offspring in a few years. Right now I'm very much in the learning stage. My RIRs I do plan on showing in the spring, even if it's just to get a chance to see them side by side with winning stock. For right now I'm trying to get a feel for whether I have birds worth working with or if they just need to go into a pen for laying birds and local sales. (Selling eggs and chicks to the local farmers is what pays my feed bill, the SOP birds are my hobby, I'll probably never even break even on them).
Another question? I've noticed the eyes on the adults are the reddish bay, but the young birds all start out with greenish yellow eyes. Is that normal?
Thanks again Walt and good luck at the fair.