Blue or blue torti?

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8/5/12 at 2:03pm

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Hi, I just recently got this little broken NZx doe from a local breeder and was wondering if anyone could give me a hand on narrowing down her color. I shared her pic on a different thread but nobody offered any suggestions and I figured I might as well start a new post.

At first I thought she was just a normal black broken but when I look closer I can see that it gets a little diluted on her back (blue?) and has a little orange in a few places (which I suppose would maker her a torti?) So would I be correct if I called her a blue torti?

Thanks in advance for any and all replies! Also, name suggestions are welcome, I've had a few in mind but can't seem to settle with one

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8/5/12 at 7:37pm

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Looks like a broken black to me. You can sometimes get a bit of fading from sunlight, or staining from urine that will make colors appear different than they really are.

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8/5/12 at 7:44pm

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Thank you bunnylady :)

So orange-ish tint is just where the sun has been hitting her? I do know that it is not a urine stain at least but sunlight would make sense, I just never knew it could turn black to orange O.o LOL So wait...why is the black color so faded around her rump area and you know, mixed with white, it almost looks agouti up close, is this also just sun exposure?

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8/5/12 at 7:53pm

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It's mixed with white because she's a broken, and that's how her pattern comes out. I imagine that when she was a baby and just starting to grow hair, those dark areas could be seen to be a collection of small spots, but as her hair grew, the longer hairs blurred the edges and sorta blended the black and white areas together.

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8/5/12 at 8:03pm

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Yeah, I can see what your saying...I wonder what she would look like after a few months in the shade

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8/5/12 at 9:47pm

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I think the first question should be, what is she crossed with?? Say she is crossed with a Silver Fox, then that looks similar to the color of that breed. But you don't automatically get a broken just from cross a white, so the broken pattern had to come from the breed that is not NZ, I would think.

It is NOT a tort or blue tort though, to answer your original question about that.

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8/5/12 at 10:44pm

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THank you minniechickmamma,

I actually have no clue what she was crossed with. I do know that her mother was a large white New zealand type rabbit and that she had a brother who looked nearly identical. I may call the woman I bought her from and ask who her father was just to see where she got her broken pattern from.

Of course I am open to any suggestions for the time being. If it helps she has very fine soft fur so she may have some satin in lineage

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8/6/12 at 5:05am

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The broken pattern doesn't have to have come from the father. The genes that cause the REW (Ruby-eyed White, what most people think of as an albino) shut down production of pigment to all areas of the coat. The gene causing the broken pattern removes color from only some areas of the coat; there are modifying genes that determine just where. It is possible to have a rabbit that has both the broken and the REW genes, but you couldn't tell by looking. I have had a couple of them here, and only knew they were "broken REW's because they had broken pattern babies when bred to solid colored rabbits. Since New Zealands also come in Red, Black, and Broken, the doe could be a full-blooded NZ and still carry the Broken gene.

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8/6/12 at 8:28pm

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I didn't know that NZs came in broken. I have never seen one and the SOP for Rabbits doesn't list it. Hmm.

I think her best bet is that she check with the breeder and find out what other breed it was crossed with.

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8/7/12 at 4:36am