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post #41 of 75
8/11/12 at 8:56am
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Ok I got pictures!! celebrate.gif

 

So here he is, you can see his head is mostly black, I dont know if he will molt that out and come in more light or what.  You can also see his tiny little panitbrush like feathers coming in gold on his shoulders and darker on his back.  He is about 8-10 weeks old and i just love him!! love.gif

 

 

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1 Blue JG and 1 Black JG,1 Penciled Rock Rooster.  1 Blue cross chick, one Brown cross, 1 Cornish chick, 5 light Sussex, 2 black australorp chicks, 1 blue australorp chick, five BO chicks, 10 meaties, 2 red comet chicks and one wild kitty!  

 

Chicken Math strikes again!   

 

 

1 Blue JG and 1 Black JG,1 Penciled Rock Rooster.  1 Blue cross chick, one Brown cross, 1 Cornish chick, 5 light Sussex, 2 black australorp chicks, 1 blue australorp chick, five BO chicks, 10 meaties, 2 red comet chicks and one wild kitty!  

 

Chicken Math strikes again!   

 

 

post #42 of 75
8/11/12 at 9:13am

i'm thinking he should look more like a birchen in color and if not he maybe a mix of 2 colors

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post #43 of 75
8/11/12 at 1:31pm
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You might want to go back and reread my posts, you might learn something.

 

Chris 

I haven't learned anything from you, Thanks 

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

post #44 of 75
8/11/12 at 1:32pm
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I don't mess with you, I correct your mistakes.

 

Chris

You don't correct my mistakes, you learn again from me   thumbsup.gif

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

post #45 of 75
8/11/12 at 2:03pm
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You don't correct my mistakes, you learn again from me   thumbsup.gif

What ever you think.

 

Chris

 

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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

post #46 of 75
8/11/12 at 2:07pm
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I haven't learned anything from you, Thanks 

Are you saying I don't know my ''stuff'' on poultry or that you are just plain don't learn easily?

I bet if you look at my posts you'll find I do know my "stuff". 

 

Chris

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

post #47 of 75
8/11/12 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Chris09 View Post

Are you saying I don't know my ''stuff'' on poultry or that you are just plain don't learn easily?

I bet if you look at my posts you'll find I do know my "stuff". 

 

Chris

I'm not saying you don't know your stuff, I learn very easy  smile.png. What I am saying plain and simple you don't know everything about poultry, know one does. That's why we're here to learn, thanks, and have a splendid day   wink.png

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

post #48 of 75
8/11/12 at 5:30pm
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Not my bird Picture form http://bantams.the-kozaks.com/ModernGames/ModernGames-3.html

Birchen-1.JPG

 

Pictures below are from http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Hoofdpagina

Hackle Feather --

 

Berken_Halsveer_Haan.jpg

 

Saddle Feather --

 

Berken_Zadelveer_Haan.jpg

 

Below infomation from http://ps.fass.org/content/33/3/472.abstract

 

Genetics of Birchen Plumage Pattern in the Fowl

  1. Elliot Kimball

 

 

BIRCHEN phenotype consists in fractionated pyle-zoned restriction, associated with black ground color and laced breast feathers in both sexes (American Standard of Perfection, 1953). It is found in the Birchen Game and Game Bantam as silver-on-black, and the same pattern appears in the Gray Japanese Bantam. Identity of patterning obtains in the Brown-red or Brown-breasted Game, except that silver is replaced by gold. Experimental evidence submitted below demonstrates Brown-red to be a gold variety of Birchen, and since multiplicity of breed names applied to the same basic pattern is cumbersome and confusing, the present report designates the variants as Silver Birchen (Birchen) and Golden Birchen (Brown-red), respectively.

Bateson and Punnett (1906) found Golden Birchen dominant to Black-breasted Red on a monofactorial autosomal basis. Illustrations of wild type striped Black-breasted Red, and non-striped black Golden Birchen chicks were published by Bateson (1910). Hagedoorn (1909) reported Black-breasted Red dominant to Golden Birchen, . . .

 

 

Chris

According to the links you thoughtfully provided, it appears that Birchen is a pattern and not necessarily a color, although it could be inferred if the breed of chicken only had one color variant (ie a Birchen Game could only be a Silver Birchen because thats the only one ok within the standard so the silver color is implied). They list two variants of the Birchen pattern as Silver and Gold. 

 

The OP asked about color, would it be so wrong to call it a Gold Birchen, a legitimate designation according to the link?


Edited by dretd - 8/11/12 at 5:35pm
post #49 of 75
8/11/12 at 5:34pm
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Accordong to the links you thoughtfully provided, it appears that Birchen is a pattern and not necessarily a color, although it could be inferred if the breed of chicken only had one color variant (ie a Birchen Game could only be a Silver Birchen because thats the only one ok within the standard so the silver color is implied). They list two variants of the Birchen pattern as Silver and Gold. 

 

The OP asked about color, would it be so wrong to call it a Gold Birchen, a legitimate designation according to the link?

Thank You   thumbsup.gif

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can; 
and wisdom to know the difference.

In Jesus name Amen :)

post #50 of 75
8/11/12 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by dretd View Post

According to the links you thoughtfully provided, it appears that Birchen is a pattern and not necessarily a color, although it could be inferred if the breed of chicken only had one color variant (ie a Birchen Game could only be a Silver Birchen because thats the only one ok within the standard so the silver color is implied). They list two variants of the Birchen pattern as Silver and Gold. 

 

The OP asked about color, would it be so wrong to call it a Gold Birchen, a legitimate designation according to the link?

 

 

Quote:
The OP asked about color, would it be so wrong to call it a Gold Birchen,

 

A Gold/ Golden Birchen is a Brown Red. 

 

 

 

Quote:
it appears that Birchen is a pattern and not necessarily a color,

 

Patterns and Colors can be one of the same;

Columbian is a Color/Pattern and is also a Gene

Silver Birchen [Birchen] is a Color/Pattern

Brown Red/ Gold/en Birchen is a Color/Pattern and a gene

 

 

Chris


Edited by Chris09 - 8/11/12 at 6:37pm

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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