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Asked Neighbor to stop shooting.....now what?

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  Ok, my property is  long and skinny,and  touches the  National Forest. I have 9 "Ga. lower income/ no  income, neighbors  on one side. I have fenced and  cleared  some of  land  and other sections  are  semi-wooded/brush on  slopes. I early  on realised  they  thought my  property was a  place to  throw  their trash,gray water  etc.  I have tried to nicely, but  assertively  asked people  to stop. I try not to escalate or cause harm (don't  call the  cops  for  scrabbles  like they  seem too) . I am  not a hang over the fence person, but  occasionally talk  to  one or two  that are nearest. Thank  goodness the  Meth dealers  got  caught  next door when we first moved i, (renters).. ( odd thing is the  neighbors on the other side of my  property all have/professional job , I get to  be buffer.) So I was out  opening a pasture and  shots rang out over my  property iwas pretty sure near dusk.  I know that  a new  neighbor  moved  someone/family? or  renters  on the last home he'd been trying to  sell. I'd  talked to  him one day in a friendly fashion, and mentioned  that we had  horses and  property and  didn't want anyone  shooting  on  our  property, (which is  posted on  the fence) .

  Anyway I started talking outloud like I was on my cell phone and yelled at my horses to  get away. I was pretty sure it was them. I have heard shooting  several times at dusk,.  So  I decided to  go  try to  talk  to  them, giving them the  benefit of the  doubt. ( I realise these people may  have issues and  may not  think  rationally, but  I wanted to  talk first, not call the  law.  I went up and  parked leaving  truck running  on the road and walked up, asking small child  where mommy or daddy were.  A young man or two came out , and I told them I  knew that  they  shot, and were they  shooting or was it  someone else? I explained quietly that my propety ran along the  whole road, and that I  was out opening  a pasture when shots were shot. I said  I often worked out  on my property late , and I had horses  and  there were neighbors houses and  I  didn't  want anyone shooting  onto my property, Well, it almost  went ok, but there was a bit of  confusion as to where my property was, and it  soon came to  ," I can  shoot guns on  my property any where I  want. "  He  admitted to  shooting  on the easement" which I told him was my property.  I had to  do  some diffusing  work, then a  woman  comes out  agitated (maybe  drinking?) , saying" I heard about you!"( geez. ) She accused me of  yelling at the kids at he  bus stop. (long  story  short. Teens and a child  were  chucking  concrete chunks at  stop sign and  phone terminal  next to my  house, I asked them to  stop, told them  those things cost like 125$ of  taxpayer money." The girl told me to  shut up  old lady", said they  could  do  what they wanted, they were bored,  and began "F- ing " me. I actually chuckled as they  flung  'fingers" at me, but I calmly suggested  they do something constructive with their  time. Like , get a job, start a business, read a book (got in trouble here, I did  say "if you can" , I guess I was a bit  irritated about  the" F-ng". But  was dumb of me )  The girl was the  'ring leader " and was  just  spoiling  for a fight, real attitude, tried to escalate it. When she began to  say things like "you better watch out, you  don'[t  know what my  brother  can do to you" , I  pulled out my phone and called the law, they disappeared , by the time he came , I talked with him and he drove up the road looking  for them, (they hid).   ... Anyway  this lady said her son  wasn't doing anything wrong ... and acted like she was trying to "'dress me  down".  to get off her  property, go read a book"??? Anyway  I calmly said," They 're lying,  I did not  yell at them , I  only asked them to  stop  vandlizing the signs. She  started  raising her voice saying, 'she  could shoot anywhere she wanted to on her  property". I  said  "you can't  shoot within 500 feet of  someones house" At this  point  I was trying to  talk to 2-3 people with  2 subjects going on,It was no  longer going  reasonably.. She was clearly  emotional and  told me  "I had to listen to her as I was on her  property". I quietly said, "No, I don't, I'm leaving, I only came up  her to ask you not to  shoot  over my property as they were houses, people and animals down there.. I walked to  my  truck and  actually backed all the way down the  road as, I'd have had to  pull into their  drive to  turn around.

    Got home,  husband asked why there was another shot? i said, I didn't hear anything over the diesal , maybe it was at me or  because  "they  could". He  said I  should have called the sheriff, waited for them and then gone up there, told him  I wanted to try and  just ask as  a neighbor and give them a chance to  cooperate.(he did know I was going  up  there). Decided not  to  call sheriff last night.

  So now, I think I may need to  go  talk and file a report or  complaint  so there  is a paper trail if  it  continues. Or  if I get shotfl.gif.  There are several things that  they were doing,  that  qualify as  Reckless Conduct or Criminal  negligence.  For the  record I  have guns and  a permit, but I  don't  shoot on  my  property as it  is risky.Btw  we  found  bullet hole in  our hayring 2 years ago and think  one of  our horses who died was shot by arrow or gun, puncture wound  ^" deep under his  winter blanket. So I am not  happy about  anyone shooting  on /over my  property. I had another neighbor  baiting deer or  squirrels 3 years ago and  another had a blind  facing  our woods.  I  talked to  both families saying  if they knew who was putting feed out to stop   as  no hunting or  shooting was allowed on  our property.(about the time I put the field fence up, replacing the old barb wire).

Slave to an Arabian, 2 half Arabians, a donkey,2 rat terriers, a jack Russel terrie ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks, Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans. All from Holderread stock.In the foothills of the Georgia Mountains.
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Slave to an Arabian, 2 half Arabians, a donkey,2 rat terriers, a jack Russel terrie ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks, Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans. All from Holderread stock.In the foothills of the Georgia Mountains.
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post #2 of 15
Best to file with the police.Maybe set up some cams.Sounds like you have some NFH,and it will likely get worse before better.I would not recommend talking to them.Best wishes.
post #3 of 15

i concur - file police report, put up game cam, and maybe get some bullet-proof vests!  Clearly talking to them isn't going to work, unfortunately.  

 

So, are these folks owners or renters?  Because if they are renting, you can get the owner's name and address from the county assessor's office and write them a letter, sent certified, telling them about the situation.  i can't imagine an owner wanting renters shooting guns willy nilly on their property.

Colleen
EE, Silkies, Showgirls, Bantam Cochin, WCB Polish, D'Anver, Porcelain D'Uccle, Bantam Salmon Faverolle, some interesting mixes, Nigerian Dwarf Goats, Persians, Ducks.

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Colleen
EE, Silkies, Showgirls, Bantam Cochin, WCB Polish, D'Anver, Porcelain D'Uccle, Bantam Salmon Faverolle, some interesting mixes, Nigerian Dwarf Goats, Persians, Ducks.

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post #4 of 15

Sounds like they have the mentality of a 2 year old.  Talking will NOT work.  Best to ignore them whenever possible. 

But I can put a bet on it that they probably should not be in possession of firearms. 

I wouldn't leave the house without my S & W.  Good luck.  Let us know what happens.
 

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 Went to sheriffs office and they sent me to the judge, he listened to me and  handed me a warrant form, but I didn't know the name, just where they lived. He had me meet the deputy for  our area, I showed him the page I wrote  about the incident right after it happened. He went to get their name  and talk with them, came back and said the guy had barrels set up to  shoot into, but they had  just moved there recently . He told the guy  he may end up in court and the guy said  ok, if he had too. He  asked if I wanted to  have them charged. I said  I rather not, I meant them no harm, wasn't trying to take their  right to shoot away, I just  did not want them to  shoot into  my  property. I mentioned the woman (girlfriend ) made things go  downhill fast, so I left.  Told the  deputy , I knew I took a risk going to  them, but was trying to go as a neighbor and just ask them first, not  go calling the police. I mentioned I had a 4 foot field fence around the property and  had told them , they were shooting into my  property, it was possible  the man  thought it was ok as it was "into a hole  in those  trees", (it's just that that hole and trees are ours.) The deputy  asked me  who  lived up the other road and how  far  the houses were. So  he said  he'd go  talk to  him again, it may  not  do  any good, but he'd  suggest they  put up a backstop too. He took notes about the  fence and  neighbors  and asked where my  property lay and  ended. So I assume he was going to  clarify  to the  [people  where my  property was and not  shoot there and mention  neighbors. He said if another  incident  "don't  go  up there" again. I said "oh,No,  I  know  better than  that. I  told him  I  didn't want to  start a feud or  anything and  mentioned the incident with the  kids , and the woman being hostile. but I wasn't  going to  roll over  or stop working  on my  property out of fear.I just wanted to work my farm and live in  peace and not  be shot over.

    I am  going to set up  my trail cam in the  area for a while  and I tend to carry my  .38 if  working  out a  long time (we actually have a prison  2 hills over and there was a escape twice 2 years ago.) Did I mention I told him about  a horse we had that died from a puncture wound , most likely from a bullet or arrow the vet said,And 2 weeks ago  my other sons neutered cat was shot, he  lived, but it was right  thru the chest.. Most of  the  people  own their  trailers , 2 of the 3 rentals were sold  and the  people in them aren't  too bad. But is  there a high percentage of  lawbreakeing  going on? Probably, but most likely  as a result of ingnorance or  desperation, they tend to use the police for  neighbor  squabbles.But it's not  nearly as bad as the city ..still  some  fear of God  N  the  Law in them . Most likely to  do  sneaky stuff....

Slave to an Arabian, 2 half Arabians, a donkey,2 rat terriers, a jack Russel terrie ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks, Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans. All from Holderread stock.In the foothills of the Georgia Mountains.
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Slave to an Arabian, 2 half Arabians, a donkey,2 rat terriers, a jack Russel terrie ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks, Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans. All from Holderread stock.In the foothills of the Georgia Mountains.
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post #6 of 15

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post #7 of 15

you are being too nice.

 

One thing officers complain is that people who call them out to deal with the problem steps down and not do a thing. They get annoyed. "Why are you calling me out and then decide you are not going to press charges or actually doing something about it?" They are not there to listen to your complaints. They want to solve problems!! Next time you call out the sheriff's dept. you need to follow through! This way neighbor knows you mean business. And the deputies feel like they are getting things solved instead of wild goose chase.

 

You can't be nice to some people. You are not nice to mean junkyard dogs are you? So why are you being so polite and nice to bunch of hooligans.

 

Follow through with the police report and be prepared to show up in court next time you call the police. Police will back you up.

post #8 of 15

Idiots with guns is never going to go nicely. They give the rest of us a bad name. I would not back down, and yes make a paper trail.

-Geoff. Since 1960.-
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post #9 of 15

  I had somewhat of the same thing happen down here in middle Georgia. A neighbor moved into a rental mobile home the next property from me. I heard him shooting in the late evening. One night the wife came in from walking our dog out in the field and asked me what a bullet sounded like. I explained the sound to her and she said she just had one go over her head. So I did what you did, I drive over to the trailer to talk to the boy. Or should I say punk. He and a girl were outside shooting into a pile of dirt about a foot high. I told him what happened and that that couldn't continue with that practice. We exchanged a few ideas and I just told him my wife was in our field every evening with our dog and that if she happened to get a bullet, or my dog I would not be a happy camper and he would pay the price. Then I went to our sheriff the next day. He told me I was the fourth complaint and they would have a talk with him again. And that if I heard a shot again to call and that would be his last one. I've heard no more shots.

 

  So the law is certainly the correct way to go and then to the courts. The sad part with today's folks are most like that are dopers, and self is all they want to satisfy. I call it what we bred from the 60's.
 

post #10 of 15
Wow, that is some story. I don't know why you wouldn't let the law take care of it, you don't want any thing to escalate, but it sure sounds like it already has. Let's see, they killed your horse, your cat, and sent bullets flying while you were out there, and have already threatened and assaulted you personally. What more provocation do you need to file charges? Death of you or family member or friend? I'm thinking you're running out of options and the law can come up with numerous charges starting with unlawful discharge of a firearm - go for the felonies before something worse happens...they already said - you don't know what they can do that is a threat, assault. Plain and simple. It also sounds like you are too close - bullets can travel through walls you should know. You've managed to make me fear for your life...I don't know why you aren't. Please take care of it now.
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