Thank you for all of your help Mr. W!
Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection
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X2!!!!
Not a problem.....it's my job.
I would be very interested in seeing pictures of birds that meet or come close to this Standard. The pictures where what made me dizzy last time I checked in here. I haven't read your Standard yet, I will be very busy until the middle of next week. looked it over quickly and it seems to be on track. This is a smart way to do your Standard. Sometimes I get these basket cases people have thrown together because they are in a hurry to get the birds in the SOP. This is the correct way to do this. If we run into somehthng, we have plenty of time to fix it.
Walt
Here's a few of my better birds I will critique. Keep in mind I have never shown birds and only looked around at a show once. So any feedback or pointing out of things I may have missed is welcome.
This is Hugger. He is approximately 10 months old in this photo so still young. Good points: nice yellow to his legs and beaks. Comb is very straight and very good with the exception of the number of points (he only has 5). Wattles seem good if a bit long. He has very nice body shape, good curve to his breast and a slight slope to his back. The back length seems good to me. He seems to hold his wings at the right height or maybe just a tad low. Eyes have a nice orangey-red tone. Earlobe is white with pinkish streaks- all white would be better but I believe this is acceptable. He has very nice coloring- good barring, good cream in the hackles and saddles, with a smidgen of chestnut on his shoulders. Things I would like to improve: His tail angle is higher than 45 degrees. He has a VERY small crest, I would like it to be a little larger but at the same time without impeding the nice comb. Jill Rees, one of the top breeders in the UK, recently complimented me on this bird via the facebook Cream Legbar Breeder's Group.
This is a young pullet, approximately 6-7 months old at the time of the photo. She is one of my favorites. She has a very nice rounded chest although I would like it to not angle in near her legs. Her comb and crest have since filled in more and look very nice. She has a beautiful tail, with great angle and great width. Wing carriage is good. Leg and beak color are good. Eye color has intensified as she has matured. Earlobes are white. Good cream color to the hackles and nice salmon on the chest. Underfluff is a little too lose to my eye. Part of why I like this bird so much is that many of my hens have too high (even 90 degree) tails. Breeding from her will lead to better tail angles I hope.
Given the recent discussions on shafting- I do not feel she has shafting on the chest. The feathers do seem defined in the middle but lack a prominent stripe of color?
Let's see if I can dig up some old pictures:
I'm thinking that there IS shafting, and IMO it is kind of a nice touch added to the haberdashery of the female. Were it to be a solid colored bird - such as black or red, I can see how it would be a possible detriment.
ETA unless I am misunderstanding what shafting IS...isn't it that very fine stripe down the center of each feather. In my white birds you cannot see it..on these birds I think it is a nice touch IMO.
Which brings up a really interesting dilemma. If K & H found no shafting while working on SOP - but let's say 50% of the other birds have it -- and it is a detriment if it isn't mentioned, what is right for the SOP?? Do we find out what the majority of people in the USA have and then go with that (i.e. the birds have shafting because that is the reality of the situation)... do we know what causes it? Nutrition, genetics, environment -- etc. etc. LOL.
I also think the USA draft SOP almost reads like a requirement of a flopping comb on the female which isn't reflected in the British SOP now that I re-read the USA draft SOP. I see it says "erect or" -- but it's almost easy to skip the "or"....
I guess that it is the translation from British SOP to USA SOP -- but to make the sentence stronger and clearer, we should perhaps put the pre-"OR" clause after the "dropping gracefully to one side" clause, so it isn't skipped over and has equal weight. JMO, I prefer the less drooping crests on CL females.
Here's the British:
FEMALE
The general characteristics are similar to those of the male, allowing for the natural sexual differences, except that the comb may be erect or falling gracefully over either side of the face without obstructing the eyesight, and the tail should be carried closely and not at such a high angle.
Here's the USA
Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, erect or first point to stand erect and the remainder of the comb dropping gracefully to the side without obscuring the eyes, deeply and evenly serrated having six distinct points.
I'm thinking that there IS shafting, and IMO it is kind of a nice touch added to the haberdashery of the female. Were it to be a solid colored bird - such as black or red, I can see how it would be a possible detriment.
ETA unless I am misunderstanding what shafting IS...isn't it that very fine stripe down the center of each feather. In my white birds you cannot see it..on these birds I think it is a nice touch IMO.
Which brings up a really interesting dilemma. If K & H found no shafting while working on SOP - but let's say 50% of the other birds have it -- and it is a detriment if it isn't mentioned, what is right for the SOP?? Do we find out what the majority of people in the USA have and then go with that (i.e. the birds have shafting because that is the reality of the situation)... do we know what causes it? Nutrition, genetics, environment -- etc. etc. LOL.
I also think the USA draft SOP almost reads like a requirement of a flopping comb on the female which isn't reflected in the British SOP now that I re-read the USA draft SOP. I see it says "erect or" -- but it's almost easy to skip the "or"....
I guess that it is the translation from British SOP to USA SOP -- but to make the sentence stronger and clearer, we should perhaps put the pre-"OR" clause after the "dropping gracefully to one side" clause, so it isn't skipped over and has equal weight. JMO, I prefer the less drooping crests on CL females.
Here's the British:
FEMALE
The general characteristics are similar to those of the male, allowing for the natural sexual differences, except that the comb may be erect or falling gracefully over either side of the face without obstructing the eyesight, and the tail should be carried closely and not at such a high angle.
Here's the USA
SHAPE -- FEMALE
Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, erect or first point to stand erect and the remainder of the comb dropping gracefully to the side without obscuring the eyes, deeply and evenly serrated having six distinct points.
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can someone post a picture of a hen with a chest that does not have shafting so we can see the difference?
Very good critique. Better than some judges would do. I haven't read the Standard yet but I can the pullet is put together well. WaltHere's a few of my better birds I will critique. Keep in mind I have never shown birds and only looked around at a show once. So any feedback or pointing out of things I may have missed is welcome.This is Hugger. He is approximately 10 months old in this photo so still young. Good points: nice yellow to his legs and beaks. Comb is very straight and very good with the exception of the number of points (he only has 5). Wattles seem good if a bit long. He has very nice body shape, good curve to his breast and a slight slope to his back. The back length seems good to me. He seems to hold his wings at the right height or maybe just a tad low. Eyes have a nice orangey-red tone. Earlobe is white with pinkish streaks- all white would be better but I believe this is acceptable. He has very nice coloring- good barring, good cream in the hackles and saddles, with a smidgen of chestnut on his shoulders. Things I would like to improve: His tail angle is higher than 45 degrees. He has a VERY small crest, I would like it to be a little larger but at the same time without impeding the nice comb. Jill Rees, one of the top breeders in the UK, recently complimented me on this bird via the facebook Cream Legbar Breeder's Group.
This is a young pullet, approximately 6-7 months old at the time of the photo. She is one of my favorites. She has a very nice rounded chest although I would like it to not angle in near her legs. Her comb and crest have since filled in more and look very nice. She has a beautiful tail, with great angle and great width. Wing carriage is good. Leg and beak color are good. Eye color has intensified as she has matured. Earlobes are white. Good cream color to the hackles and nice salmon on the chest. Underfluff is a little too lose to my eye. Part of why I like this bird so much is that many of my hens have too high (even 90 degree) tails. Breeding from her will lead to better tail angles I hope. Given the recent discussions on shafting- I do not feel she has shafting on the chest. The feathers do seem defined in the middle but lack a prominent stripe of color?
What does well defined in outline mean?
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