Originally Posted by mightymax
......what an image that conjures up in my head !!! There goes a half dozen or so skinny-assed chickens, followed in hot pursuit by a crazy ol' chicken lady in a big floppy hat holding an enormous jar of freeze dried meal worms screeching, "Here, here now chickie, chickie you can't have any pudding 'til you eat all your meat" all the way down the block !!! <any fans of 'Jethro Tull' out there >
Oh yes I'm a fan of Jethro Tull. Does that give our ages away?
My skinny chicken of the week is named "Mangia" , and she's eating like a pig right now.
Oh boy...that was fun !!! (not that I picture you that way of course ...lol !!!)
Yes you do! LOL!
OK...back to the business at hand.
Regarding those that were exposed 4-5 years ago and whether or not they should all be considered immunosuppressed, I would definitely tailor my
husbandry practices to accommodate the notion that they were. I'd rather err on the side of caution with this disease. But the question still remains, When those chickens who were exposed to MD 4-5 years ago die, what will be written on their death certificates? Death by Marek's or Death by Unknown/Secondary Illness/Other ???
well, my last 3 necropsies were Negative for Marek's, cause of death? Aspergillosis and enteritis, Liver cancer and enteritis, and capillaria, enteritis, e. coli and cocci. I just can't get past the negative Marek's. I thought that any exposed chicken would be positive for Marek's, not just an active tumor ridden one. I'd have to agree that death was secondary to Marek's in some cases.
I don't know what the correct answer to that would be...Death Suspect for Marek's with Extenuating Circumstances...IDK I really haven't
got a clue !!! If this were a perfect universe and the world actually did revolve around me (hahaha !!!) I would categorize ALL the exposed chickens' deaths as Marek's deaths and be done with it. Why, you ask? Well, since 'I don't know' just doesn't give the disease (nor my chickens) any justice here, I'd
have to say that...
...sometimes we just have to take it on faith...
For me anyways, that one statement can answer many of those open-ended questions that we all have when we get to talking about MD.
I'm not a religious person by design, tending to lean more towards the scientific, but I do consider myself to be spiritual. and as such, sometimes I find
that by just letting things 'be' for a bit, the answers will eventually come and the questions will usually resolve themselves. Now as high and mighty as that may sound, I'll be the first one to tell you that although faith is something I believe in, it is, without a doubt, not what I am always able to trust nor utilize in my everyday life...lol !!!
Anyway, back at the ranch...
Every one of my chickens that has presented with symptoms that qualified it to carry the title of 'Marek's Disease' victim number so-and-so, has been a ravenous (albeit, rather anorexic-looking) little wisp of a thing. They hadn't always been that way. Only when the symptoms become most pronounced have they been able to succeed at the seemingly incongruous task of eating like they have a hollow leg AND looking as if there'll be no tomorrow. Don't know why that is...malabsorption, MD induced hyperthyroidism, just can't seem to get in their mouth...could be any number of reasons. All I know is that mine were kinda like me...all about food up until the very end!
yes, some of my chickens are thin, and some are like those ravenous and anorexic looking, or eat but not enough. That's a good way of describing it, like they have a hollow leg. I wish I knew why, malabsorption is a better probable than not eating enough.
I wish I knew if something could be done about it. It just seems that those that survive exposure and live never really get discussed. If the virus does not end up causing death by tumors, what other damage is done to exposed chickens whether vaccinated or not?
And with that, I think I will just let the rest of the questions 'be'...
For tonight anyway!
...sorry about the length and the obsessive/compulsive way I use spacing !!! And apparently exclamation marks as well !!!