Originally Posted by Nambroth
Originally Posted by seminolewind
Intestinal lining shedding is a natural occurance like molting. Enteritis is a bad illness where a bacteria or cocci make swiss cheese out of the small intestine and cause it to die or hemorrhage . So, I am not an expert. But if one of my older chickens have what looks to be wasting or real skinny, I'm now trying 5 days of sulfadimethoxine and Tylan that will cover the most common nasties that most commonly that can live sub clinically (low symptoms for a long period). And worming a week prior to this.
My thoughts are that Marek's causes immunosuppression and that can allow a chicken to get sick from bacteria or cocci that they usually have immune protection against. Marek's may be a primary cause but some of the symptoms of unthriftiness can be treated.
Okay, I know you have been chatting about this elsewhere but I have been out of town so much lately that I neglected to write it down when it was fresh in my memory. Can you give me the dosages you are using for the sulfadimethoxine and Tylan treatment? I want to write it down and keep it on hand because I have a feeling you may be onto something here. If nothing else, it seems it won't hurt to try it in a bird that is otherwise going downhill with wasting.
Hi dear! I've used a teaspoon of sulfdimethoxine and a teaspoon of Tylan for 5-6 days. I may be on something here. I've had 3 necropsies that showed either cocci or e. coli enteritis. But I have not had a positive for c. perfigens. (sp), or maybe just not mentioned .
In lots of reading I've found that sub clinical enteritis caused by c. perfigens is one of the biggest major problems with production chicken companies because of the ban of daily antibiotics use. World wide. What the ban means is that you can not keep them on antibiotics every day until processed. But Production chickens can be given antibiotics for an illness that requires it.
Sub clinical enteritis appears as just unthrifty. Thin, not laying that much, etc. That is my problem. My chickens all got skinny. They were wormed. One hen I found sleeping all day, and took her and gave her those antibiotics. She was on my patio and started eating like a pig and it's been a month and she's still a porker. I don't know what may have been subclinical (long term unthrifiness).
Marek's causes immune suppression. I don't know if that's a long term situation or not. I've had more adults waste away than I've had chicks with paralysis. I've had a number of vaccinated-by-me chickens die from opportunistic bacteria or cocci.
I gave my oldest flock of 7 my antibiotics for 6 days that ended last week. They were wormed a month or two ago. I can't say anyone is any heavier because I"m afraid to feel them and find out. But today is the first day in over a year that their feed bowl was empty and knocked on it's side. Someone must be hungry.
In a nutshell,my hypothesis is Marek's causes immunosuppression ,and lets opportunistic cocci or bacteria (common bacteria kept in check by the immune system,) causing enteritis subclinically and just seen as unthrifyness or skinny chickens that don't lay a ton of eggs.
As Casportpony told me, there are antibiotics that would cover e. coli, and c. perfigens, and may be better to use. But the latest drug du jour for c. perfigens is Tylan, so I started there.
I am not a scientist, just tired of skinny chickens related to Marek's exposure. And started wondering how Marek's exposure in an adult chicken would cause them to waste, or is there another step in between that can be treated?