Does anyone know what turkey breeds are considered to be wild and which are considered domestic.
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(b) Any person who unlawfully sells, possesses for sale, or buys any deer or wild turkey
is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not less than two hundred fifty
dollars ($250.00) in addition to such other punishment prescribed for the offense in question.
(c) Any person who unlawfully takes, possesses, or transports any wild turkey is guilty
of a Class 2 misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not less than two hundred fifty dollars
($250.00) in addition to such other punishment prescribed for the offense in question.
Again, no breeds require a permit from any state wildlife department, because breeds by definition are domesticated animals and do not fall under their jurisdiction. Now, many states require a permit to keep the one wild turkey species, which has several subspecies. I've never known any state to differentiate down to the subspecific level in regulating wild turkeys. They either allow all subspecies to be kept, or all require a permit. Anyway, this is not the the place to ask. Just check with your state wildlife department. They have the info that you need if you want to raise wild turkeys.What I am trying to find out is what breeds require a permit from your state wildlife department in order to keep them.
`Tame' is not the limiting condition, the ability to survive in the wild (no human intervention) is. This has been exhibited on numerous occasions, over many decades, in several States. Attempts to repopulate 'wild' populations of turkeys (not just Silvestris) from game farmed birds end in failure. Missouri DNR tried before and after WWII without success. `Wild' flocks were netted in other States and introduced. This method worked (last year's census was ~550,000). Complete `domestication', e.g., changes to coloration, morphology, etc. take several generations to accomplish (link to an excellent experiment with foxes): http://www.eebweb.arizona.edu/Courses/Ecol487/readings/Early Canid Domestication, AmSci.pdf However, if a poult, of any subspecies/variety. hatches out and imprints on a human, and is maintained by humans, it might be `legally' considered `Wild' but its chances of surviving in the Wild are as likely as fish surviving out of water. And, for all intents and purposes is. indeed, `domestic'. In order to prevent, undue dependence on humans, we NEVER do more than overplant seed grasses for the Wild Easterns, here. Sure, I'd like to dump plenty of BOSS in the clearings, but I don't need any more domestic turkeys and, in order for these guys to maintain a behavioral repertoire that allows their survival in the Wild, `us humans' just watch and don't interfere (predators are preemptively removed from acreage, we do take care of that).Narragansett[ wrote: Completely false. You are confusing being tame with domestication. A wild animal can become tame, but can never be considered domesticated. A domesticated animal is not necessarily always tame.
(bolded by me for emphasis). Thank you for your take on the background, and for reinforcing the point I was making in my post. One can never be too sure that the authority of the State isn't being exercised by idiots. I'm interested in ethology and so I focus on behaviors (particularly interested in the differences in `intergradiations' in vocal signaling, between populations - Collias' work with Red Jungle Fowl and our observations of differences in signaling between individuals keeps the notebooks filling up); hunting down the variations in vocalizations, not using ersatz vocalizations to hunt down the birds. Captive populations of adult Wild Turkeys do not do well. However, as has been observed by myself and others (vet had several just hatched Silvestris delivered to office and observed high degree of successful imprinting - calm, eating from hands - from one day - to two weeks - DNR came in and took them), Hutto's experience with Osceola's: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/my-life-as-a-turkey/full-episode/7378/ is also informative in this regard - the first, `hand raised' generation from a `Wild' hen, do not always (as is frequently reported) `beat themselves to death' against fences. Domestication begins to occur as a `state' of `mind', i.e., alterations, epigenetically, in stress hormone levels (if Belyaev, et al, have it right) after which more `static' tools provided by evolution proceed at a rapid pace when given direction, resulting in more `formal' demonstrations of `domestic'.Narragansett wrote: BTW Ivan, that Narragansett fiasco in Wyoming was in no way a fight. That joker caused the rucus by trying to make a point with some uninformed DNR employees by telling them that Narragansetts were partly wild. As their rules state that no wild or wild hybrids are allowed, they of course told him that they were not allowed. This joker is considered a laughing stock among serious breeders who know better. What he neglected to tell the DNR folks is that the Narragansett contains no more wild blood than does the Royal Palm, Bronze or any of the other breeds. Narragansetts were created by crossing Bronze with wilds............ several hundred years ago. Mr joker created this fight just to have a battle that he knew that he would win. He has nothing better to do with his time.
Minnesota differentiates between "wild" eastern wilds and domesticated heritage "varieties." I need a license to shoot an eastern wild turkey, but if someone's escaped standard bronze comes up to my pen, I'm free to shoot it. Of course, i have to be able to demonstrate the difference, but domesticated strains are not considered wild turkeys in Minnesota.Again, no breeds require a permit from any state wildlife department, because breeds by definition are domesticated animals and do not fall under their jurisdiction. Now, many states require a permit to keep the one wild turkey species, which has several subspecies. I've never known any state to differentiate down to the subspecific level in regulating wild turkeys. They either allow all subspecies to be kept, or all require a permit. Anyway, this is not the the place to ask. Just check with your state wildlife department. They have the info that you need if you want to raise wild turkeys.
Lagerdogger I do agree with Narragansett on the imprinting thing. A wild turkey hatched by a human doesn't make it a not-wild turkey.
Late Preclassic (300 BC–AD 100) turkey remains identified at the archaeological site of El Mirador (Petén, Guatemala) represent the earliest evidence of the Mexican turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) in the ancient Maya world. Archaeological, zooarchaeological, and ancient DNA evidence combine to confirm the identification and context. The natural pre-Hispanic range of the Mexican turkey does not extend south of central Mexico, making the species non-local to the Maya area where another species, the ocellated turkey (Meleagris ocellata), is indigenous. Prior to this discovery, the earliest evidence of M. gallopavo in the Maya area dated to approximately one thousand years later. The El Mirador specimens therefore represent previously unrecorded Preclassic exchange of animals from northern Mesoamerica to the Maya cultural region. As the earliest evidence of M. gallopavo found outside its natural geographic range, the El Mirador turkeys also represent the earliest indirect evidence for Mesoamerican turkey rearing or domestication. The presence of male, female and sub-adult turkeys, and reduced flight morphology further suggests that the El Mirador turkeys were raised in captivity. This supports an argument for the origins of turkey husbandry or at least captive rearing in the Preclassic.
A breed of animals may be said to be improved, when any desired quality has been increased by art, beyond what that quality was in the same breed, in a state of nature…
Many causes combine to prevent animals, in a state of nature, from degenerating, they are perpetually intermixing, and therefore do not feel the bad effects of breeding in and in; the perfections of some correct the imperfections of others, and they go on without any material alteration, except what arises from the effects of food and climate.
The greatest number of females will, of course, fall to the share of the most vigorous males, and the strongest individuals of both sexes, by driving away the weakest, will enjoy the best food, and the most favourable situations, for themselves and for their offspring.
A severe winter, or a scarcity of food, by destroying the weak and the unhealthy, has all the good effects of the most skillful selection.