Originally Posted by TheDuffields
I absolutely love cats and I agree with trap neuter release programs, but I am of the belief that there should be mass euthanizations of feral populations....as much as it kills me to say it, the world is SO VERY, VERY overpopulated because of us humans failure to spay/neuter our pets. It's OUR fault that it's become a problem of this epic proportion. But I do agree....It would be nice if someone were able to round them all up and be able to put them all down humanely in all cities and towns across the country....it would help the wild bird and chicken population greatly, and it would be greatly helpful for those living in big cities with feral ally cat problems.....but only in a perfect world would we be able to round all the extra unwanted, homeless cats up at one time to euthanize them....sigh
Originally Posted by Justin Foss
Duffields, I know we got off on the wrong foot, I do very much like some of your posts! Bluecoondog, same for you. This is a epic problem, one that takes a village so to speak. We do all share a bit of responsibility in it. Some maybe more than others. The real solutions lie with us "salt of the earth" folks. No matter where we live or what sort of encumbrances are placed on us. I believe we all need to do what we can to do the best we can to do right by the natural and contrived ecosystems that sustain us. That being said spay and neuter programs are completely ********! I like cats as well, I grew up with "barn cats" on our farm as well as my grandparents. They were tame and used to control introduced rodents, they were fixed, and appreciated. Feral cats are subsidized predators, they deserve our respect as a sentient being, however they do need to be eradicated. In my opinion in the way that raises the least eyebrows and attention however that may fit into your personal and ethical lifestyle.
I've really enjoyed this post thanks knittycat and best of luck to you in all your future farming endeavors.
I agree with you both. The best thing to do, I feel, would be to humanely euthanize these animals. I know to some that may be a horrible thing to say and it may upset some, but I don't mean to upset anyone. See, I have worked in the animal industry just about all my life. I've worked as a bather for a groomer, worked as kennel help, ran two kennels (one show and regular kennel and then one regular kennel), worked as a vet's assistant, a groomers assistant, trained dogs for clients, and then was as a groomer for 17 yrs. I owned a grooming salon for 11 yrs. I've been rescuing animals for a very long time and fostered animals for many yrs. I've also taken in a lot of cats due to someone around here dumping them off close to my place. One was a young cat with a belly full of kittens. I've had her for a lot of yrs. now, as I decided to rehome her kittens and keep her. Another had a litter of kittens under my neighbor's house just before I took her in, so I had to rehome all of those kittens. She ended up getting out before I could get her in to get spayed, as she was determined to go back outside and slipped out the door, and got pregnant again, so there were even more kittens to find homes for. I was then eventually able to find her a home. Some of the cats I've rehomed and some I've kept. Right now I own 6 cats that someone dumped. Three of them being cats that I'd like to rehome, but so far haven't been able to. I just took another in about 6 mos. ago. If these cats were feral, I wouldn't be able to do this. Obviously most of them were someone's pets that they decided they didn't want anymore. Only one was semi-feral, but she was dumped somewhere else and was a young kitten, so I was able to rehab her. Taking in these cats drains my finances, but sine they're friendly, I give them a chance.
My point in saying all I did above, is that with working all those jobs and working rescue and fostering, I've seen it all. Us humans start so many problems when it comes to animals. In an ideal world that wouldn't happen, but it's reality. I've seen more abuse than you can shake a stick at. IMO, taking cats/kittens and dumping them is abuse too. Not only is it thoughtless and cruel, the person who dumped the cats creates a problem for everyone else. These cats turn wild and breed like rabbits, putting out feral kittens who grow up and have kittens of their own. Unchecked populations soar. These cats kill the wild bird population, kill small livestock, run out in front of cars and cause accidents with people swerving to miss them, get into people's garbage, fight with domesticated outdoor cats, spread disease and fleas, use people's property as toilets, etc... Yeah, catch, spay, neuter and release helps to keep the populations from getting any higher, but it doesn't solve the problem of the cats that are still there causing issues.
In working in the animal industry, you come to realize that for every one person you educate, there will be 10 more that you can't get through to. In rescue and fostering, you realize that for every one animal you save or solve a problem with, there will be 10 more people putting animals out there in bad situations and creating situations that negatively affect others. In other words, there comes a time when the only practical solution is to euthanize the animals. No one really wants to do it, as we all have a love for animals, but there is only so much that can be done. Feral cats cannot be managed, only their populations can. Most cannot be rehabbed unless they're young, and even that's not always successful. It's a lot of hard work that there isn't enough people out there to do. The only practical solution is euthanization.
It's a shame that the OP has to go through this. We need to push our legislators into realizing that this is a huge problem for many, and that catch, sterilize and release does nothing to end the issues that these animals cause. The problem is that people who love animals throw a fit when these animals are euthanized. They don't realize the issues because they're not educated about it. They go to the legislators and whine about animals being killed. The legislators, in turn, try to do what these people want. Like in my town, for instance. We had a huge issue with cats being dumped and people getting dogs and deciding they didn't want them anymore. We also had an issue with some dogs running wild in pack and creating problems. We have that problem again right now, as a matter of fact, and because of it an officer had to shoot an aggressive dog. These dogs go after neighborhood dogs, people going for walks with their dogs, joggers, and neighborhood children outside playing. Anyway, due to the issue of animals being dumped, unwanted animals being turned over, and animals with problems being surrendered, the numbers got out of hand. From what I was told... The local Humane Society was only allowed so much of the drug to euthanize these animals. Because of that, they were taking animals out and shooting them. Well, people got wind of the animals being shot and threw a fit. Because of that and some other issues relating to it, our Humane Society was cut their funding and was shut down. The dog warden, from what I was told, was also involved and was fired. This shouldn't have happened IMO. What people didn't stop to think about, was what were they suppose to do with all of these animals that couldn't be homed and there wasn't enough of the drug to euthanize them with ('cause as I said, they were only allotted so much). Things like this is why education is needed.
Sorry I'm so long winded...just wanted to get people to understand where some of us may be coming from (as I can't speak for everyone). I'll shut up now, lol!
Edited for typo.
Edited by Chikenbutwut - 2/17/13 at 1:16am