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Pictures of my peach hen.
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Now cameo hen, a coming 2 year old Notice the darker,more peach color of the younger cameo hen? She looks more like my peach peas above than cameo,she is a lot darker than the older cameo hen. Peach on my opinion is just a darker shade of the same color,like Midnights and IB.

 
Pictures of my peach pair along with 2 bssp hens
How would you tell if these black shoulder hens are silver pied? I have two black shoulder hens that could be silver pied but i don't know how i can be sure.

The first one is cameo bs and its supposed to be sp:


Second hen could be peach bs, the seller said it came from silver pied breeding:

 
I got some pictures yesterday as well, not all of these are mine.


Peach Hen yearling



Peach and Peach Pied yearling hens



Peach Pied yearling male



Same yearling male with a flash used


close-up of his baby train



Mature Peach pair with flash



Mature Peach hen with flash



The differences are very difficult to catch in photos, but in person the main visual difference I could see between the Cameo Pied WE male and the Peach male was neck color. The Cameo's neck color was darker almost like a chocolate brown while the Peach male had a neck that was more like Cocoa brown. There was not as much contrast between neck and body on the Peach as there was on the Cameo. On the hens the Cameos looked more like a grayish tan while the peach looked more orange-ish tan.
 
q8peafowl,,my original BSSP birds consisted of 2 bssp hens,,a bssp 4 year old peacock (Roadtrip) and a bs pied hen split to bs. I have hatched whites,a few pieds and bssp birds. I have 2 bssp males that are for sure 100% bssp, both are 2 years old from this group of adults.. With the breeding results I'm getting from hatched offspring they must be silver pied black shoulders. I know for a fact 100% that you cannot tell a midnight bs hen,from an IB BS hen,,,they are identical. Most all bs hens looks similar except for Opals which I can spot anywhere with other bs hens because for the most part with the exception of a little carmel color around their necks,and a few gray tail feathers,opal b/s hens are 99% white with no black flecking. I only have one ibbs hen to compare against the bssp hens,,purple bssp hens have lors of rusty brown on their feathers,,my midnight bs hens actually looks like my bssp hens,,aside from me hatching them and wingbanding them,they too could be misrepresented. I guess until you pair breed them enough and all offspring,especially the males is correctly marked for that color,the hens are really a guess.
 
q8peafowl,,my original BSSP birds consisted of 2 bssp hens,,a bssp 4 year old peacock (Roadtrip) and a bs pied hen split to bs. I have hatched whites,a few pieds and bssp birds. I have 2 bssp males that are for sure 100% bssp, both are 2 years old from this group of adults.. With the breeding results I'm getting from hatched offspring they must be silver pied black shoulders. I know for a fact 100% that you cannot tell a midnight bs hen,from an IB BS hen,,,they are identical. Most all bs hens looks similar except for Opals which I can spot anywhere with other bs hens because for the most part with the exception of a little carmel color around their necks,and a few gray tail feathers,opal b/s hens are 99% white with no black flecking. I only have one ibbs hen to compare against the bssp hens,,purple bssp hens have lors of rusty brown on their feathers,,my midnight bs hens actually looks like my bssp hens,,aside from me hatching them and wingbanding them,they too could be misrepresented. I guess until you pair breed them enough and all offspring,especially the males is correctly marked for that color,the hens are really a guess.
Did these 2 bssp hens produce many dark pied chicks? I'm asking because i have seen bssp hens before and they had a lot of white around their body, like this hen on left:


If they don't really need to have that much white to be silver pied it would be great, i will have a great chance of my peach being silver pied, so i could get some peach silver pied from her with my w/e split peach male.
 
Did these 2 bssp hens produce many dark pied chicks? I'm asking because i have seen bssp hens before and they had a lot of white around their body, like this hen on left:


If they don't really need to have that much white to be silver pied it would be great, i will have a great chance of my peach being silver pied, so i could get some peach silver pied from her with my w/e split peach male.

I was under the impression that a bird had to be about 90% white in order to be considered SP, otherwise it would be considered a Pied WE or dark Pied WE.
 
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I was under the impression that a bird had to be about 90% white in order to be considered SP, otherwise it would be considered a Pied WE or dark Pied WE.
With black shoulder silver pied hens its different i guess, they will not have 90% of white, i had two opal bssp hens they both produced silver pied chicks last year, i also had a black shoulder pied peahen, and didn't know she is pied until i opened her wing and saw the white feathers, and she produced pied chicks also.
 
With black shoulder silver pied hens its different i guess, they will not have 90% of white, i had two opal bssp hens they both produced silver pied chicks last year, i also had a black shoulder pied peahen, and didn't know she is pied until i opened her wing and saw the white feathers, and she produced pied chicks also.

Then I do not think they are BSSP, they would be BS Pied WE. I do not think the BS changes the rules for SP. We should ask @connerhills , @AugeredIn , or @Arbor they have more experience than either of us.
 

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