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Orange band is kicking butt! Obviously a cockerel. Most of the others look pretty good, but I'm a little curious about Purple Band and Yellow Band. Are they bantam? Their growth rates seem rather anemic to me. By week 3 most of my birds show a 300% - 500% growth rate since hatch. 

You know I was wondering about them too! I am not sure of their lineage. I thought Purple band was from my breeding project, but perhaps it was one of the random other eggs incubated along with yellow band. I am thinking that perhaps Pink band should be in the top group and was actually the one in the breeding project. The Yellow band was a runt when hatched, really tiny too and just hasn't grown much since. All of them are getting in their feathers and running about, I have enlarged the enclosure a bit to give them more room to flap around, scratch more spots and jump around too.

 

As far as Bantams go, I have a silkie but I didn't put any of her eggs in the incubator. I have Hamburgs, one silver one gold, are they considered bantams?


Edited by FaerieChicken - 12/17/16 at 12:39pm

Trying out the homesteading life!

Not just for self sustainability, but to teach and involve our family in the making, caring and cultivating processes of all life. Veggies, Fruit, Meat & Eggs. To grow enough veggies and fruit to raise the flock on, along with creating a backyard flock capable of reproducing meat and eggs.

 

Next adventure for 2017~ Canning and raising beef~

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Trying out the homesteading life!

Not just for self sustainability, but to teach and involve our family in the making, caring and cultivating processes of all life. Veggies, Fruit, Meat & Eggs. To grow enough veggies and fruit to raise the flock on, along with creating a backyard flock capable of reproducing meat and eggs.

 

Next adventure for 2017~ Canning and raising beef~

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post #12202 of 13165
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Yep, those are the same prices here at the feed stores. Gosh, two 40 lb bags of Nutrena Meatbird feed cost me $52 the other day. The Starter-Grower runs $20. I haven't priced the Gamebird feed and I only saw a 5 lb bag which I'm sure is astronomically high. I'll look for the 40 or 50 lb bag when I go there next time and report back. But yeah, I can't believe there's no feed containing animal protein - I haven't been able to find any that had it either. I'm certainly no scientist but if you ask me it's an essential ingredient based on the way they go hog wild whenever I bring any type of real meat, bugs, or trapped (dead) mice into the run. They're worse than people from my hometown at the lottery counter when the jackpot is over a million dollars.

 

Mine go berserk whenever I give them meat protein. 

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Used to feed everything from peafowl guineas turkeys chickens gamebird feed back when it was affordable and had animal protein. They all did fantastic(except not enough calcium for peahens- gave those a mixture of gamebird and chicken layer- oyster shell never, ever worked for them).  Got the same sort of reactions- 'you sure feed your birds REAL good!' etc.

 

Had to stop when the price became excessive.  They;re all priced at 25-26 per bag for gamebird breeder...  don;t remember how much grower and starter is- they're higher.   I checked the labels on all of these recently- yep all vegan now...

 

The 17% chicken layer currently floats around close to 20 per bag.

 

I also figure cat food at 30ish protein both ups the protein slightly plus the bonus of animal protein.

 

 

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25 per bag?? We pay 19. That's robbery. 😵

 

You guys would probably faint if I told you what I pay. :hide But we accepted years ago that quality food costs money, and my philosophy is to put the healthiest feed possible into my birds since I eat both their eggs an their meat. I know a lot of people balk at labels like "organic" and "non-GMO", but I'm in the camp that favors them, and I like that my feed is freshly milled just a few days before I accept delivery. Everything is ground into a mash but you can still see wheat seeds, green pea splits and sunflower seeds, and it even smells really good...not corn, soy, or canola. In spite of the cost of the chicken feed, our grocery bill has been cut by 1/3 to 1/2  since I started raising so much of our food, and so far many of the diseases and ailments that have plagued many of the other poultry people I know around here haven't shown up at my place. Yeah...I'm a big believer in really good nutrition. 

Hard to beat fresh (esp. with animal protein) - I wish I needed enough feed to have it custom milled - just not in that boat right now. 

 

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I can't find anything in a bag that has animal protein in it. Feather Fixer is the best base feed I can find for them (empirically, seeing how they do on it and how they like eating it) - I used to feed everyone a combo of 16% layer feed and 24% starter. That worked ok, but Feather Fixer is better. All of that is vegetarian/soy based, though. Egg quality is better on Feather Fixer, and better still with them getting the animal protein. I very well may pursue the black soldier fly thing at this point. 

 

I am seriously tempted by the ground meat thing. Meanwhile, I do what DesertChic does, and start everyone on 24% at first. (I might start on 20% now, though, if I'm going to be doing the egg thing). There are lots of lizards around, but I'm not sure the girls are getting them, they all hang out on the house. 

 

Ugh, SO sorry you have javelina issues. What a mess they make! Sounds like a good source of protein for the chickens! (Is is prohibited to shoot them there? I'm not sure it is here, but I haven;t looked it up - they are really destructive pests here in Texas.)

 

I like hearing about everyone's different ways of getting animal protein to their chickens on this thread. I think I'm pretty convinced they need it. Love hearing the options. (They DO adore the livers and hearts when I cull, but I don't cull enough for that to be much more than a treat...)

 

- Ant Farm 

 

 

I tried Feather Fixer and really wasn't happy with the results vs the cost. I'd rather feed them some fresh, raw meat of some sort, which seems to give almost instant results and makes my chickens sing my praises for days. Pork and salmon have given me the best results hands-down. I finally broke down and gave my heavy molt girl a dish of raw meat scraps. The next day she FINALLY started showing more pin feathers...and this formerly elusive girl has become amazingly affectionate with me. Go figure. ;)

 

The laws surrounding Javelina are "touchy", but where we live is considered ranch land and we're legally allowed to protect our livestock from any potential threat. And luckily we have neighbors who feel the same way we do when it comes to the critters. It's not uncommon to hear rifle shots from one house or another when invaders show up, and right now I'm supplying one of our neighbors with free eggs weekly because he got laid off from work and they need a little extra help. Since I started doing that he and his family have been amazingly supportive at helping me with predator control, which I greatly appreciate since I'm usually the lone ranger around my home. 

Well, I'm glad you have the flexibility to take care of them if you need to. Also glad to hear you have a supportive neighbor - that's like gold! :thumbsup

 

(I think I'm convinced to go find some ground pork sometime soon - Mystique has started molting - later than everyone else, of course. She's starting to look awful...)

 

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You guys would probably faint if I told you what I pay. :hide But we accepted years ago that quality food costs money, and my philosophy is to put the healthiest feed possible into my birds since I eat both their eggs an their meat. I know a lot of people balk at labels like "organic" and "non-GMO", but I'm in the camp that favors them, and I like that my feed is freshly milled just a few days before I accept delivery. Everything is ground into a mash but you can still see wheat seeds, green pea splits and sunflower seeds, and it even smells really good...not corn, soy, or canola. In spite of the cost of the chicken feed, our grocery bill has been cut by 1/3 to 1/2  since I started raising so much of our food, and so far many of the diseases and ailments that have plagued many of the other poultry people I know around here haven't shown up at my place. Yeah...I'm a big believer in really good nutrition. 

I do the same, I don't tend to lean at the "Organic" labels, but Non-GMO I try to buy nothing but! I wish I was able to get my feed freshly milled, but we just don't have that option without buying in large quantity. I do buy local, as local as possible and I try to buy through my co-op farm supply. We just got a TSC opened up, I stopped by as a friend told me they had sooooo much chicken stuff, but when I went there, it was all the Big Brother company brands, like Purina, Dumor and Mana Pro! They had some of the organics in those brands, but none had the higher protein I am looking for.

 

Usually my feed bill is around $200 a month for 2- 50lb bags of Little Farmer Yard Blend, 2- 50lb bags of Little Farmer Free Range Scratch, 1- 50lb bag of the King Brand Freedom Starter/Grower crumble at 20% protein, and if you count the dried Mealworms. I will sometime buy those that have other "bugs" mixed with them, I even will get one that has little shrimp and little dano fish mixed in with the worms. However, I ferment the feed, mostly grains with the high protein starter & grower crumble I add to it, I also bought a 50lb bag of Flax seed to put with it, it has lasted nearly 3 months now. My flock loves the fermented feed. I also put stuff in it like Rosmary, Thyme, Marjoram, Clove, Cinnamon, fresh organic Ginger, Parsley, Oregano and organic pumpkin seeds when I find them cheap enough.

 

As for the animal protein, we give lots of table scraps, not just veggies, but trimmings and leftovers from our plates. Some things they wont touch, but we have dogs that come and eat it up anyway, sometimes jocking for who gets what! LOL Then there are the barn cats that will later even get whats left as well. I think the worms and bugs count as animal protein right?

 

I tried organic, and I also tried Non-GMO (that's how I get stuff for myself, after all). The chickens wouldn't eat it. Tried several brands - good ones. I really don't believe they were just being picky. In the end, I figured out that because the organic/non-gmo stuff was more expensive, it was therefore not as fresh as the stuff with frequent turnover. I even had to return a bag once - it was a good company - just couldn't easily get fresh stuff. If I could get stuff fresh milled like DesertChic, I would totally do it. It would need to have animal protein in it, though. Feather Fixer is working well for now, though (with the supplements - BOSS a few times a week year round, and lately, cat food every couple days).

 

Meanwhile, I got a headache trying to shop for kitten food today. @Kev , I'm not a member at CostCo or Sams (never felt like I got my membership money's worth) - is the brand you got proprietary, or something I could look for elsewhere? 

 

(Gotta get me some ground pork!!!!)

 

- Ant Farm 

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Mine go berserk whenever I give them meat protein. 

Hard to beat fresh (esp. with animal protein) - I wish I needed enough feed to have it custom milled - just not in that boat right now. 

 

Well, I'm glad you have the flexibility to take care of them if you need to. Also glad to hear you have a supportive neighbor - that's like gold! :thumbsup

 

(I think I'm convinced to go find some ground pork sometime soon - Mystique has started molting - later than everyone else, of course. She's starting to look awful...)

 

 

I tried organic, and I also tried Non-GMO (that's how I get stuff for myself, after all). The chickens wouldn't eat it. Tried several brands - good ones. I really don't believe they were just being picky. In the end, I figured out that because the organic/non-gmo stuff was more expensive, it was therefore not as fresh as the stuff with frequent turnover. I even had to return a bag once - it was a good company - just couldn't easily get fresh stuff. If I could get stuff fresh milled like DesertChic, I would totally do it. It would need to have animal protein in it, though. Feather Fixer is working well for now, though (with the supplements - BOSS a few times a week year round, and lately, cat food every couple days).

 

Meanwhile, I got a headache trying to shop for kitten food today. @Kev , I'm not a member at CostCo or Sams (never felt like I got my membership money's worth) - is the brand you got proprietary, or something I could look for elsewhere? 

 

(Gotta get me some ground pork!!!!)

 

- Ant Farm 

 

My DH works at a not-so-fast restaurant chain, Baja Fresh, and they trim the meat before cooking. He is able to bring home the trim and cook it up for the chooks, and dogs...cats too! I am wondering if we should just give it raw, is raw better for them?

 

Maybe you could go to your local restaurants and ask if they would be willing to give you the trim, as they would just toss it anyway~!

Trying out the homesteading life!

Not just for self sustainability, but to teach and involve our family in the making, caring and cultivating processes of all life. Veggies, Fruit, Meat & Eggs. To grow enough veggies and fruit to raise the flock on, along with creating a backyard flock capable of reproducing meat and eggs.

 

Next adventure for 2017~ Canning and raising beef~

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Trying out the homesteading life!

Not just for self sustainability, but to teach and involve our family in the making, caring and cultivating processes of all life. Veggies, Fruit, Meat & Eggs. To grow enough veggies and fruit to raise the flock on, along with creating a backyard flock capable of reproducing meat and eggs.

 

Next adventure for 2017~ Canning and raising beef~

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post #12204 of 13165
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Originally Posted by Fire Ant Farm View Post
 

 

Mine go berserk whenever I give them meat protein. 

Hard to beat fresh (esp. with animal protein) - I wish I needed enough feed to have it custom milled - just not in that boat right now. 

 

Well, I'm glad you have the flexibility to take care of them if you need to. Also glad to hear you have a supportive neighbor - that's like gold! :thumbsup

 

(I think I'm convinced to go find some ground pork sometime soon - Mystique has started molting - later than everyone else, of course. She's starting to look awful...)

 

 

I tried organic, and I also tried Non-GMO (that's how I get stuff for myself, after all). The chickens wouldn't eat it. Tried several brands - good ones. I really don't believe they were just being picky. In the end, I figured out that because the organic/non-gmo stuff was more expensive, it was therefore not as fresh as the stuff with frequent turnover. I even had to return a bag once - it was a good company - just couldn't easily get fresh stuff. If I could get stuff fresh milled like DesertChic, I would totally do it. It would need to have animal protein in it, though. Feather Fixer is working well for now, though (with the supplements - BOSS a few times a week year round, and lately, cat food every couple days).

 

Meanwhile, I got a headache trying to shop for kitten food today. @Kev , I'm not a member at CostCo or Sams (never felt like I got my membership money's worth) - is the brand you got proprietary, or something I could look for elsewhere? 

 

(Gotta get me some ground pork!!!!)

 

- Ant Farm 

 

My DH works at a not-so-fast restaurant chain, Baja Fresh, and they trim the meat before cooking. He is able to bring home the trim and cook it up for the chooks, and dogs...cats too! I am wondering if we should just give it raw, is raw better for them?

 

Maybe you could go to your local restaurants and ask if they would be willing to give you the trim, as they would just toss it anyway~!


How awesome! Not sure if I can swing that, worth a look...

 

I DID have the same question, anyone - raw or cooked?

 

- Ant Farm 

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How awesome! Not sure if I can swing that, worth a look...

 

I DID have the same question, anyone - raw or cooked?

 

- Ant Farm 

I give the ground pork to mine raw. I've given them cooked pork before and they loved it too but they definitely prefer the raw ground best. Maybe it's just because they're more familiar with it but they'll run me over to get to it.

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How awesome! Not sure if I can swing that, worth a look...

 

I DID have the same question, anyone - raw or cooked?

 

- Ant Farm 

I give the ground pork to mine raw. I've given them cooked pork before and they loved it too but they definitely prefer the raw ground best. Maybe it's just because they're more familiar with it but they'll run me over to get to it.


I'm totally going to try this!!!! Thanks! :thumbsup

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I give the ground pork to mine raw. I've given them cooked pork before and they loved it too but they definitely prefer the raw ground best. Maybe it's just because they're more familiar with it but they'll run me over to get to it.

I wouldn't think that Pork raw is good to give because of the parasites in their blood....

Trying out the homesteading life!

Not just for self sustainability, but to teach and involve our family in the making, caring and cultivating processes of all life. Veggies, Fruit, Meat & Eggs. To grow enough veggies and fruit to raise the flock on, along with creating a backyard flock capable of reproducing meat and eggs.

 

Next adventure for 2017~ Canning and raising beef~

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Trying out the homesteading life!

Not just for self sustainability, but to teach and involve our family in the making, caring and cultivating processes of all life. Veggies, Fruit, Meat & Eggs. To grow enough veggies and fruit to raise the flock on, along with creating a backyard flock capable of reproducing meat and eggs.

 

Next adventure for 2017~ Canning and raising beef~

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post #12208 of 13165

What is considered a reasonable price for ground pork? (It's been so long since I've bought meat in the grocery store!!!)

 

- Ant Farm 

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I give the ground pork to mine raw. I've given them cooked pork before and they loved it too but they definitely prefer the raw ground best. Maybe it's just because they're more familiar with it but they'll run me over to get to it.

I wouldn't think that Pork raw is good to give because of the parasites in their blood....


It's in their muscles - trichinosis. But the pork supply in the US is trichinosis free now. That's an old issue from a few generations ago...

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That being said, I wouldn't feed feral hog/wild boar or javelina raw, and definitely not bear meat. Regular old US agricultural pork doesn't have this issue any more.

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