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That would be me, with my "gift" of being able to kill mint in three states with three different climates and soils (Indiana, Tennessee, now Florida).  Ah well, I do have one very happy Greek oregano plant out there, and one Swiss chard that survived the summer heat.  There's always hope for the next season - in this case, the winter garden going in.

 

On the chicken side of things, I will be doing a day 17 candling of 24 eggs as I take them off the turner this evening!  All but two are Wyandotte eggs, and I started with a total of 29 eggs.  Two clear, two blood rings, and one that appeared to have a crack in the shell at the day 10 candling.

 

The little black Silkie cockerel (the only one I was sure was a cockerel) managed to injure himself, so I took him up to Leo, who had called me Friday asking if I would have any Silkie cockerels ready any time soon.  He's been wanting two a month at the minimum, and I've had to explain they just don't grow *that* fast.  He was very excited when I said I'll be setting Silkie eggs starting with the next batch.  I am hoping another little black Silkie chick I saw chest-bumping is also a cockerel that I can put in with the five splash pullets.  Yup, I am aiming for blue Silkies, just for my own enjoyment.

 

LOL! Yep! You sound like me! The only herb I've been able to grow is Basil. Mint, rosemary, thyme, oregano, dill, cilantro and parsley all hate me. I mean it. They really hate me. Swiss chard, kale, lettuce and broccoli have learned to love me, but herbs? Not a chance. I did manage to resurrect my heirloom tomato plant after the intense summer heat and a whole lot of green caterpillars did their best to kill it. I even have tomatoes growing. Now I'm just crossing my fingers that they grow well and I can manage to can some before it gets too cold. 

 

Good luck with your final hatch days! 

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gjensen Sandhill has catalanas, just checking to see if you knew. Don't know how their stock of catalanas are but I'm very happy with the white giants I got from them. Have a few not breedable, but overall I have some very good ones. Same with the red sussex, had some definite culls. I don't plan on beauty pageant birds either, but I expect  them to be as close as possible as far as leg color and how they actually look.    

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post #5773 of 12027
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gjensen Sandhill has catalanas, just checking to see if you knew. Don't know how their stock of catalanas are but I'm very happy with the white giants I got from them. Have a few not breedable, but overall I have some very good ones. Same with the red sussex, had some definite culls. I don't plan on beauty pageant birds either, but I expect  them to be as close as possible as far as leg color and how they actually look.    

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 I know. I purchased a few. They are not Catalanas. They are commercial Minorca crosses. They should not be called what they are. I do appreciate that still.

 

 Sandhills has some good and bad, depending on the breed. They are usually far and away better than the other hatcheries concerning the quality of birds. There are exceptions, I am sure.

 

 Let me clarify my beauty pageant remarks. That would not be my purpose, no. Like yourself, I do want them right though.

 

 We all can purchase misc. sex links, meat strains, commercial leghorns etc. They are a dime a dozen, and they cannot be beat concerning what they will provide. If I am solely concerned about flesh and eggs, that is where I am staying. I am going no where else. Why should I? I could not do any better. If I was going to experiment, I would work almost exclusively within this class of birds.

 

 Instead there is the potential of breeding productive birds of a breed and history. Preserving all that comes with that, and continuing in the work of those that came before you. A long line of Master Breeders left us with what we are losing today. When we commit to a particular breed, we do have access to the literature and history of that breed. Then there is a point of reference. We have the opportunity to learn from those master breeders in the form of articles, ads, and books. Or better yet, that mature gentleman at the show. Yes, gasp, at the show.

 

 Many of those old timers would silence us concerning utility etc. We forget that many of these lived the "Golden Years". We are losing this generation fast though.

 

 We often do not realize how much there is to learn from these. I could not begin to say how much there is to learn from history's Leghorn breeders alone. Yes, the breed came from Italy originally, but it was perfected here. The breed here is an extraordinary success. Bred to the highest standards, both in egg laying facilities and in the showroom. American breeders did remarkably well with this breed.

 

 Many breeds are like this. Red breeders, Rock breeders, etc. How many articles are there out there to learn from breeders concerning Rocks and Reds? Even Giants. They had there day. Many articles on breeding Giants. Orpingtons, Australorps etc. In England Sussex, and Dorkings etc.

 

 When these birds are productive, and they represent the breed well . . . .  they are worth something. They are recognized and established. There is a defined method of evaluating and confirming the quality of that breeding. These birds do have actual value. You will not get them at a hatchery for $2.00 per chick etc. Not unless the hatchery recently purchased them themselves from a breeder, and in that case, get them early. Hatch a lot and you will dig out some decent birds.

 

 The problem comes in when we go to extremes. One extreme is often a reaction to another extreme. We see this in politics, religion, dogs, and birds. One side becomes disenfranchised with another. Instead of truly recognizing the error of that extreme, the knee jerk reaction to that extreme is to go to the other extreme. It becomes a polarizing contest of ideologies, and does not make any real good sense.

 

 So my disenchantment with the obsession with feather is not to disregard feather all together. Feathers are part of the bird, and I am breeding an entire bird. I do not intend to neglect any part. I only shift my emphasis accordingly. I want my birds to look good, and perform well. I want them right. The details matter. Type matters. Form matters. Function matters.

 

 I want to learn to breed the entire bird. Not part of one.

 

 And none of this is to disregard any other interests. Only to try to validate another. As someone said, to each their own.

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Hello.

Dad checked into hospital this morning at 8am, not for the procedure because it is to be performed tomorrow.  He and Jason thought he would check in wednesday but luckily Jason called the hospital when they arrived at the NYC hotel to get everything straightened out. Even though he had blood work done on the last visit, there are still many tests that have to be checked before the surgeons get started.  I will let ever one know about any situations.

 

Jason has his laptop and  is posting information.  If anything is sent this way that looks important, I'll will report it this thread.

 

Cheers,

 

Ariel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

We live in West 'By God' Virginia 

 

 

                                                    When Tyranny is Certain and Loss of Freedom is Nigh

                                                                  Revolution is Demanded of All Patriots

 

 

      

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                                                    When Tyranny is Certain and Loss of Freedom is Nigh

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Hello.
Dad checked into hospital this morning at 8am, not for the procedure because it is to be performed tomorrow.  He and Jason thought he would check in wednesday but luckily Jason called the hospital when they arrived at the NYC hotel to get everything straightened out. Even though he had blood work done on the last visit, there are still many tests that have to be checked before the surgeons get started.  I will let ever one know about any situations.

Jason has his laptop and  is posting information.  If anything is sent this way that looks important, I'll will report it this thread.

Cheers,

Ariel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

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Hello.

Dad checked into hospital this morning at 8am, not for the procedure because it is to be performed tomorrow.  He and Jason thought he would check in wednesday but luckily Jason called the hospital when they arrived at the NYC hotel to get everything straightened out. Even though he had blood work done on the last visit, there are still many tests that have to be checked before the surgeons get started.  I will let ever one know about any situations.

 

Jason has his laptop and  is posting information.  If anything is sent this way that looks important, I'll will report it this thread.

 

Cheers,

 

Ariel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

 

Thank you so much, Ariel. I've been thinking about you guys and your dad all morning. Sending loving thoughts your way. 

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Hello.
Dad checked into hospital this morning at 8am, not for the procedure because it is to be performed tomorrow.  He and Jason thought he would check in wednesday but luckily Jason called the hospital when they arrived at the NYC hotel to get everything straightened out. Even though he had blood work done on the last visit, there are still many tests that have to be checked before the surgeons get started.  I will let ever one know about any situations.

Jason has his laptop and  is posting information.  If anything is sent this way that looks important, I'll will report it this thread.

Cheers,

Ariel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Prayers are lifted for your Dad and your family. Praying for a successful surgery and a speedy recovery.

LF: Columbian Wyandotte, Cochins; B: OEGB, Rosecomb, d'Anvers, Delaware

"Speak kind words; hear kind echos."  "When you get to your wit's end, you'll find God lives there."  

"Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret." 

Fabric Temptress - http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3104712#p3104712
 

 

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LF: Columbian Wyandotte, Cochins; B: OEGB, Rosecomb, d'Anvers, Delaware

"Speak kind words; hear kind echos."  "When you get to your wit's end, you'll find God lives there."  

"Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret." 

Fabric Temptress - http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3104712#p3104712
 

 

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I'm just lurking.  Thanks for the thoughts and prayers.

 

                Ariel S.

We live in West 'By God' Virginia 

 

 

                                                    When Tyranny is Certain and Loss of Freedom is Nigh

                                                                  Revolution is Demanded of All Patriots

 

 

      

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We live in West 'By God' Virginia 

 

 

                                                    When Tyranny is Certain and Loss of Freedom is Nigh

                                                                  Revolution is Demanded of All Patriots

 

 

      

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OK, so I have chicks hatching in my incubator (YAY!) but now am certain I have a problem in that Bossy has quit the nest.  I started getting concerned yesterday, and this morning it is obvious she is no longer interested in setting on those eggs.  The eggs in the incubator have another day to go ... how long would be too long on those abandoned eggs?

 

Some get well wishes for hellbender Ron, as well.

Working on a GLW project, hatching the F2 generation http://sandghomesteade.blogspot.com

Practicing caponizing

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Working on a GLW project, hatching the F2 generation http://sandghomesteade.blogspot.com

Practicing caponizing

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Thread Starter 

Dad is in recovery and everything seems to have gone well.  I feared it would be a very long operation but was just over 2 hours. 

Jason is with dad now and I wish I could be there.  One thing scares me, he is heading to ICU.

 

Aaron called and said if he's going to be there for more than a week,which he doubts, he and Raphael will fly there.

 

Thanks for the support.

We live in West 'By God' Virginia 

 

 

                                                    When Tyranny is Certain and Loss of Freedom is Nigh

                                                                  Revolution is Demanded of All Patriots

 

 

      

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We live in West 'By God' Virginia 

 

 

                                                    When Tyranny is Certain and Loss of Freedom is Nigh

                                                                  Revolution is Demanded of All Patriots

 

 

      

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