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I have read that most olive-eggers are AmeraucanaXMorans cross breeds, or something along those lines. Are there any other breeds used to create this color? I was just wondering about the popularity of "olive eggers" and how much you might value them for........along with EE's. Just wondering, no big deal! big_smile My curiosity has gotten the best of me. Then, is it true that the blue egg gene, so to speak, is dominant? (Ex: you breed a blue egglaying ameraucana or araucana hen to a RIR roo, the result will be a blue egglaying EE?)

Is this true? Or have I gotten confused........yet again? hu

Oh, and....to get an "olive egger" Would a Cuckoo Morans roo X Ameraucana hen bring about the same result? Or, does it depend on the egg color the Ameraucana lays?

Any information about either is greatly appreciated! And sorry about my lack of knowledge........but i gotta learn some how! Hope i posted this in the right area......hmm

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Originally Posted by ChickenWisperer 

I have read that most olive-eggers are AmeraucanaXMorans cross breeds, or something along those lines. Are there any other breeds used to create this color? I was just wondering about the popularity of "olive eggers" and how much you might value them for........along with EE's. Just wondering, no big deal! big_smile My curiosity has gotten the best of me. Then, is it true that the blue egg gene, so to speak, is dominant? (Ex: you breed a blue egglaying ameraucana or araucana hen to a RIR roo, the result will be a blue egglaying EE?


most people do it just because they look cool. Other than marans you can use welsummers and barnevelder. The rir mix will not lay blue, but should have a greenish tinge because one color overlays the other


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Originally Posted by ChickenWisperer 

Is this true? Or have I gotten confused........yet again? hu
Oh, and....to get an "olive egger" Would a Cuckoo Morans roo X Ameraucana hen bring about the same result? Or, does it depend on the egg color the Ameraucana lays?


It depends on the color that each lay, the darker they are the more intense the color saturation

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Any information about either is greatly appreciated! And sorry about my lack of knowledge........but i gotta learn some how! Hope i posted this in the right area......hmm


I hope that sound ok, I think I confuse myself, darn cold

Krista

edited because I messed the whole thing up tongue


Edited by klf73 - 9/16/08 at 7:58pm

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Lol, thanks! big_smile

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post #4 of 41

If I understand correctly you want the rooster to be the one carrying the Blue Egg gene and he must have 2 of that gene to guarantee green eggs (so you should not start with and easter egger rooster but start with a pure Ameraucana rooster). If the rooster does not have 2 of the blue egg gene then some hens can and will lay brown eggs. I have RIR and Orpingtons in with my Ameraucanas and I have been told that the female offspring should lay DK green eggs. I have read of a person who crossed black Australorps with pure Ameraucanas and got DK Green eggs as well. So as long as the rooster is carrying the blue egg gene them I would assume any brown egg laying hen has the potential to produce offspring that will lay DK green eggs.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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post #5 of 41
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Thanks chickchick! smile


So, that would mean as far as egg color, there are two genes to every bird that control it, and the chick will pick up one from each? O_o

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post #6 of 41

I think so. Having the rooster with 2 of the blue egg gene will pretty much guarantee green eggs. If the roster has only 1 of the gene then you could have a lot of offspring laying brown eggs.

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post #7 of 41

Olice eggs would be so pretty to see - maybe someone who has some could post a photo!

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post #8 of 41

This is a picture from another post by MaransGuy. The eggs are really cool!

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/8101_oliveeggs.jpg

Also, I got some information from another post that is a bit different from what is poster here on how to breed hens that will lay these olive eggs.

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Originally Posted by Momo 

Yes, it will work either way.  An eggshell can have one of two base colours: white or blue.  The gene for blue eggs is dominant over the gene for white eggs.  The brown colour is due to any number of other genes and is basically a brown coating over top of the underlying eggshell colour.  So if you breed a blue egg layer to a brown egg layer, you will get a blue egg with a brown coating and the egg will look sort of olive green.  If the hen just adds a pale brown coating (e.g. if you cross with a breed that lays beige eggs) it will be a lighter green or teal colour. 

If you're breeding to a hen or rooster that carries two copies of the blue egg gene (homozygous for that trait), then all of the progeny will receive one of those genes and because blue is dominant over white they will all lay blue eggshells.  But if the blue egg parent is heterozygous (one blue gene and one white gene) and you breed to a white eggshell chicken (e.g. either white or brown which is actually white with a brown coating), then half of the babies would get the blue eggshell gene (they would be heterozygous for that trait) and half would get the white eggshell gene (and would be homozygous for that trait).

Most true Ameraucanas are homozygous for blue eggshells but the odd beige egg layer does crop up.  Many EEs are homozygous too but many are heterozygous and some lack the blue gene altogether. 

Bottom line: if a chicken lays blue eggs then you know it carries at least one blue eggshell gene, but you won't know whether it carries two (although a purebred almost certainly will).


According to this, you could cross a blue egger hen with a roo carrying a dark brown egg gene and still get the olive egg,

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post #9 of 41
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Thanks so much Jashdon! Great pictures, great information! clap

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post #10 of 41

hhmm.... I would love to have olive eggers, I do own cuckoo marans, black copper marans, ameircaunas, and araucanas.
Wonder if I will get lucky.fl


edited for spellling.

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