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You have to be careful when using dirt as it can cause poop balls on the feet. So keep everything really dry. I like to use sandy soil that won't stick no matter how wet or poopy it gets. 

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I'll check out the options. The dirt makes smell zero though. I'll be keeping it dry and using a rake everyday to turn it over
post #23 of 25
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Hi Sill

I tried fermenting and things went berserk. Quails got so hungry the only thing they wanted to do was eat eat eat. Dying for food ALL time. Soon egg production also dropped. Maybe I did something wrong.

Whats your laying percentage?

Not sure what is happening with your FF.  They go crazy when they first get their feed in the morning but eat their fill and seem contented to pick at it all day.  I usually add finely shredded carrots which they love and other veggies sized for the quail with their FF.

 

My laying percentage?  Right now it's winter but about half are laying.  Summer and into fall I got eggs from 75-100% of the hens daily.  Many lay double yolks so that can account for some of the missed days.

 

 

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I use aviaries for my quail and set them up with brush piles and other things that mimic a natural environment. Each bird has at least 10 square feet per bird just because I enjoy doing it. I have kept quail for about a decade and I am now winding down on them so I don't have many quail left. I am now working on building up my chicken flocks. :D

 

But yes, my quail get all kinds of greens, veggies and fruits once a day. I will cut things up or quarter the fruit so it is easier to eat. They get a tray of it in the morning to start their day. They get gamebird food with a few wild bird seeds thrown in each day as well just to keep eating interesting and boredom to a dull roar. 

 

I add probiotics or ACV occasionally for a good tonic. I rarely add vitamins to their water or diet. Too much vitamins can throw off the balance they get in their regular quail feed. However during the summer when it is hot, during molting or if someone is sick, I will add vitamins to the water occasionally. 

 

I tried fermenting feed for my chickens and quail and because my climate is so arid, I had a hard time keeping it moist and not turning into cement. LOL But this is a great way to feed your birds. Use your own judgement on your flock if it works for them or you.

I'm wondering what kind of feed you started your FF with?  I live with single digit humidity most of the year coupled with summer temps over 110 for months and their FF never got cement-like, and I only feed the FF once a day. Some feeds that are high in soy can get very pasty when fermented, maybe that can dry to a cement-like state?  But then the birds continually eat the surface of the wet/damp feed down so it really shouldn't have the chance to dry.

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I'm wondering what kind of feed you started your FF with?  I live with single digit humidity most of the year coupled with summer temps over 110 for months and their FF never got cement-like, and I only feed the FF once a day. Some feeds that are high in soy can get very pasty when fermented, maybe that can dry to a cement-like state?  But then the birds continually eat the surface of the wet/damp feed down so it really shouldn't have the chance to dry.

Sill, I think you are on to something here. My chickens love damp wet feed. And I have noticed that some feeds get stiff no matter how much I water them down during the day. Where as some feed stays moist all day long even in those 6% humidity days with only one or two dampenings. 

 

This was probably my problem when I tried FF. At the 3 day mark I served it up in the mash form, everybody dove right in. But within that hour, the feed was stiffening up and even after I added water it was turning the entire thing into gummy mess. LOL And if I was not there to water it down, it turned into nearly a cement constancy. LOL The birds just refused to eat it unless I fed them the fresh stuff from the bucket. So I gave up.

 

I will have to give this another try. Not sure about how the present quail feed will react, but my chickens are on a good feed now that when I wet down in the morning seems to stay moist all day long. 

 

Thanks for all the great info! 

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You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.  ~John Bunyan~

 

Treating Sour Crop and Impacted Crop                                    Raising Quail

 

How to Treat Egg Binding in Hens 

 

Leg, Foot and Toe Issues in Poultry of All Ages

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Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul. ~Emily Dickinson~

 

You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.  ~John Bunyan~

 

Treating Sour Crop and Impacted Crop                                    Raising Quail

 

How to Treat Egg Binding in Hens 

 

Leg, Foot and Toe Issues in Poultry of All Ages

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post #25 of 25
Pure coconut vinegar (Made out of coconut toddy) is totally ok. Not the one made using chemicals which is very cheap and can be found anywhere in countries like India & Sri Lanka. Avoid white vinegar as well. I have about 75 quails and I faced the same problem of finding ACV... After doing some research on internet and discussing with a local vet, I found that coconut vinegar is the best alternative. Now I use 55 milliliters of pure coconut vinegar per 9 liter water feeder. Until now I never had any issues. Alternatively you can use Raisin Vinegar, Rice vinegar and the Vinegar made out of Sugar Cane.

If you give them tap water treated with chlorine and limestone, check the PH value before and after adding Vinegar, before adding it should be 7 and after adding it should be some ware around 6. PH 6 is considered the optimum value.

(*) Before adding vinegar, if PH level is more than 7, water is alcoholic. Not considered pure and not recommended for quails.
(*) After adding vinegar, if PH level went below 6, add fewer than 55ml per 9l until PH value is 6.
(*) After adding vinegar, if PH level is still more than 6 you can add more or few drops of lime juice.
(*) if PH level is below 6, it will negatively affect egg & meat production.
(*) Quails refuse to drink if PH value is below 4.

The Vinegar you find in supermarkets are normally pasturised. Pasturisation kills the helpful bacteria.! Read the label and find Unpasturised brands.

PH value is just a measure. Trick is in the Vinegar...
Edited by contactvidura - 4/26/16 at 9:16am
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