Gave 1 year old Valzaban two nites ago.. then they drank some water immediately

Hi vintagegem,
I know nothing about worming except what I've read online and heard from the feed store. I did find a post on Backyard Chickens about Wazine though.
See below:

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Worming egg laying hens with Wazine. Good idea or bad?
Posted by Dwayne Haskell
I recently listened to a podcast about worming chickens. One of the speakers was none other than The Chicken Doctor – Peter Brown. This is what he said about worming egg laying hens with Wazine:

So many animal owners (including chicken owners) are not familiar with FARAD. I was on the phone with them again today talking about worming chickens. They are writing an article for the winter issue of Chicken Whisperer Magazine. Just so you know, there is no official egg withdraw period for Wazine in laying hens. Anyone who tells you different is misinformed. So many people say two weeks, and that is simply not the case. That’s why it clearly states on the bottle of Wazine, “Not for use in laying hens.” If you use Wazine for laying hens, it’s an off label use, and by law the administration of these drugs should have veterinarian oversight.

So what does this mean if you suspect your laying hens have worms? It means you should not take matters into your own hands and self medicate your hens. Why? A few reasons.

First, as he stated, Wazine are not specifically labeled with a withdrawal period for laying hens so there is no official withdrawal period given on the bottle.

Second, Because there is no given withdrawal period, there is no proof the eggs will be safe enough to consume, even after the often mentioned 2 week withdrawal period.

Third, if you are selling or even giving away your eggs, you cannot be certain they are safe for the recipient to eat.

Fourth, although not mentioned in his quote, you really do not know if your flock needs to be dewormed without proper testing. Without a fecal float test you do not know if your flock has worms at all.

Fifth, Wazine is designed to control specific worms as stated on the bottle. Without a fecal float test you do not know for sure of the worms being treated for. The medication may not even treat the worms you suspect your hens may have.

So what does this mean to the average backyard chicken owner? Simple, do not follow non-professional advice about treating your flock for worms. Often, people will say “I treat my flock with X product and they have never had worms.” or, “I use X herb to keep my chickens from getting worms”. This is all fine and well if they want to believe that, but unless they can prove their claims, don’t fall for it. Ask them to show you proof. Not their proof, but proof from a fecal float test before and after treatment. Most, if not all, will tell you they don’t need a fecal float test, they just can tell by the way their flock acts and their overall health. So, there is really no proof at all then.

Who ya gonna believe, a veterinary doctor whose specialty has been chickens for nearly 50 years or a self professed expert with no training in chicken health other than their experience? I vote for the true expert.

This post has been viewed 2964 times!"
 
Wazine only treats large roundworms in poultry. The reason there is no stated egg withdrawal period (as with most wormers) is that it is cost prohibitive to manufacturers. They will not test for wormer residue in eggs for back yard chicken owners. Layers in commercial operations are caged up off the ground and are replaced every two years. There's very little chance that birds get worms in commercial operations, wormers arnt used.

I prefer using broad spectrum wormers which treats all or most types of worms. A bottle of valbazen or safeguard is cheaper than taking fecal samples once a month or every 3 months to a vet to get looked at under a microscope.
This is why I prefer valbazen:
http://japr.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/3/392.full.pdf
 
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Hi vintagegem,
I know nothing about worming except what I've read online and heard from the feed store. I did find a post on Backyard Chickens about Wazine though.
See below:

"
Worming egg laying hens with Wazine. Good idea or bad?
Posted by Dwayne Haskell
I recently listened to a podcast about worming chickens. One of the speakers was none other than The Chicken Doctor – Peter Brown. This is what he said about worming egg laying hens with Wazine:

So many animal owners (including chicken owners) are not familiar with FARAD. I was on the phone with them again today talking about worming chickens. They are writing an article for the winter issue of Chicken Whisperer Magazine. Just so you know, there is no official egg withdraw period for Wazine in laying hens. Anyone who tells you different is misinformed. So many people say two weeks, and that is simply not the case. That’s why it clearly states on the bottle of Wazine, “Not for use in laying hens.” If you use Wazine for laying hens, it’s an off label use, and by law the administration of these drugs should have veterinarian oversight.

So what does this mean if you suspect your laying hens have worms? It means you should not take matters into your own hands and self medicate your hens. Why? A few reasons.

First, as he stated, Wazine are not specifically labeled with a withdrawal period for laying hens so there is no official withdrawal period given on the bottle.

Second, Because there is no given withdrawal period, there is no proof the eggs will be safe enough to consume, even after the often mentioned 2 week withdrawal period.

Third, if you are selling or even giving away your eggs, you cannot be certain they are safe for the recipient to eat.

Fourth, although not mentioned in his quote, you really do not know if your flock needs to be dewormed without proper testing. Without a fecal float test you do not know if your flock has worms at all.

Fifth, Wazine is designed to control specific worms as stated on the bottle. Without a fecal float test you do not know for sure of the worms being treated for. The medication may not even treat the worms you suspect your hens may have.

So what does this mean to the average backyard chicken owner? Simple, do not follow non-professional advice about treating your flock for worms. Often, people will say “I treat my flock with X product and they have never had worms.” or, “I use X herb to keep my chickens from getting worms”. This is all fine and well if they want to believe that, but unless they can prove their claims, don’t fall for it. Ask them to show you proof. Not their proof, but proof from a fecal float test before and after treatment. Most, if not all, will tell you they don’t need a fecal float test, they just can tell by the way their flock acts and their overall health. So, there is really no proof at all then.

Who ya gonna believe, a veterinary doctor whose specialty has been chickens for nearly 50 years or a self professed expert with no training in chicken health other than their experience? I vote for the true expert.

This post has been viewed 2964 times!"

Welcome to BYC!

The above is from this website:
http://www.backyardchickenelearning.com/my-chickens-have-worms/

-Kathy
 
Thanks for the info. You and dawg53 are very knowledgable.
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If you have a minute later, could you please take a look at the pictures I posted earlier on this thread? I'm not sure if I need to do anything about my hens' feet.
I got them 4 months ago and they were already like the picture.
Thanks a million!
~S
 
Thanks for the info. You and dawg53 are very knowledgable.
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If you have a minute later, could you please take a look at the pictures I posted earlier on this thread? I'm not sure if I need to do anything about my hens' feet.
I got them 4 months ago and they were already like the picture.
Thanks a million!
~S
Is the bird limping?

-Kathy
 
Sparkleberry your post #18: The first pic it appears to be bumblefoot and requires minor surgery, but it could be Foot Pad Dermatitis (I'd still do the surgery.) In the second pic, it looks like caked on dirt and should be washed off. If you've already washed it off and it still looks like that; it looks like it might be Foot Pad Dermatitis. FPD is caused mainly by birds being kept in wet or damp conditions, especially wet or damp litter. Here's a link about FPD with pics:
http://animalwelfareapproved.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/TAFS7.pdf
 
Dawg53,
Thank you for the link and suggestion. :)
The person I bought them from had them free range in his garden daily and our conditions are pretty dry here in California. I will definitely wash them today and see if it's caked in mud. Then I will research the bumble foot surgery.
Most appreciated!
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