Need some advice on my sick chickens

jcasaglov

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Mar 8, 2015
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A little backstory- I purchased 27 chicks back in early March from a local feed store and all was going well. We had converted an old shed to a coop and enclosed a large chicken run from the coop. I have a large roost with Sweet PDZ to scoop the droppings and have kept the inside of the coop clean with shavings (linoleum on the floor). I also change the water daily and give probiotics in teh water and feed a high quality (from the feed store) complete feed and grit. I also fed medicated chick starter for the first 8 weeks. As a chicken newbie, I am trying to do it all and do it right! Oh, I have a mixed flock of different breeds, but made sure they were all relatively going to the same size etc.

Fast forward to now and I have lost 10 of the 27 chickens. A couple seemed to stop growing (they were Salmon Faverolles) and I just felt like they weren't going to make it anyway. Some were growing fine and acting normal....then they would get a droopy eyelid, lethargy, not walking well and then death. Some would take a day, others would take a week. I have had to cull a couple who were near death. I called the feed store and with my description of the chicks the woman felt I was describing Marek's disease. I was devastated and felt like I could loose my entire flock. So I have read read read anything and everything on the disease (Thanks to BYC for some fantastic articles and threads) and have accepted I may loose most of my flock. I decided to confirm it by sending one of the deceased chickens for a necropsy to one of the UC Davis labs (I'm in southern California). I finally got the preliminary report and it is saying the chicken didn't have Marek's but rather a large number of enteric Coccidiosis. What???? So now I am doing a lot of research on Coccidiosis and it is confusing me more. I fed the chicks medicated food for the first 8 weeks, I am giving fresh water with probiotics daily, I am cleaning out their coop every day and nothing is getting wet. I live in So California where we are in a drought so there isn't any chance of mud or wet ground. Why would this be happening? How much cleaner can I make it? I have started Corid today and plan to add it to their water for the next 5-7 days. Should I be using another Coccidiostat? What about vitamins? I have about 5 pullets that are a good size and weight but now I am noticing that some of the others aren't growing and are quite skinny. What can I do for them? They seem to be eating and drinking and have good energy. I don't want to loose anymore chickens! I have 2 kids and this entire experience has been very difficult on them and me. Since I only got the preliminary report it still be something else- even Marek's. What else can I do? I have thought about isolating, but who to isolate? They seem to show signs/symptoms adn are gone within a couple of days. I do isolate when they are at the end stage, but how do I know who is next? The tech also said stress can make it worse, but I am trying my hardest to give them a non-stressful enviroment. It's stressing me out!


Any and all advice is much appreciated,
 
Keeping chickens certainly has its highly stressful days, you can trust me on that one.
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It sounds like its just Coccidia, however, not marek's. Marek's involves paralysis, chickens that generally survive but just can't walk, and I heard somewhere that chicks under 3 weeks can't get it.
Corid works wonderfully for a lot of people. I would stop the medicated food and just do corid. It should begin to work fast (with-in a day). The coccidia was probably already in them, since they aren't kept in that good conditions at food stores, so it wasn't your fault. It kills really fast, sometimes without many symptoms.

I hope the others stay healthy. Best of luck!
 
Thanks GitaBooks- I'll definitely keep with the corid but my chickens are about 16 weeks old now. I got them about 4 months ago and they started dying off about a month ago when they were approx 12 weeks old. They haven't started laying yet but I was told at the feed store to start giving them adult food. It is organic, non-Gmo, non- soy, expensive stuff!
 
That is a little old for coccidia.

I guess we'll have to see if the corid works.

Best of luck!
 
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You said that the 3 month old chicks were a little old for coccidia ... I am a newbie, I have raised 6 chicks from day 2, they are 3 months old now. I have a similar issue, however, I got a little confused in the symptoms described. My chicken is lethargic, does not want to eat, drank a lot last night, her crop was full of fluids (I guess what she drank last night) and emptied when I turned her over. I don't know what to do for her. I have separated her and she is now in the house with me.

I would love some advice

Desperate ... don't want to loose her

Thanks,
Rhonda
 
You said that the 3 month old chicks were a little old for coccidia ... I am a newbie, I have raised 6 chicks from day 2, they are 3 months old now. I have a similar issue, however, I got a little confused in the symptoms described. My chicken is lethargic, does not want to eat, drank a lot last night, her crop was full of fluids (I guess what she drank last night) and emptied when I turned her over. I don't know what to do for her. I have separated her and she is now in the house with me.

I would love some advice

Desperate ... don't want to loose her

Thanks,
Rhonda

It sounds similar to a problem I had with one of my silkies. My silkie had a bacterial infection (so I assume) and passed away. If it is bacterial, only antibiotics can really help. The crop filling up with liquid is a bad sign. Could she have sour crop? Sour crop is a yeast infection of the crop and can be cured.
Sick chickens often show similar symptoms for different diseases, but I hope this helps.

I hope she gets better! Best of luck.
 
I'm a little confused about the age- could my chickens be dying from something else and still have the coccidiosis parasite? Or is it enough to bring their resistance down even though they are older? Is there ANYTHING else I can be doing to help those who haven't shown any symptoms and for those who are skinny and smaller what can I do to help build them back up?

Anyone? I'm a little beyond desperate!
 
Okay, lets see if we can guess what this is:

Are there any signs of paralysis in your chickens? Are they unable to stand?
Are they getting proper calcium and protein? Are they getting vitamins?
Is their pen dirty, musty or wet?
Is their food musty?
Do they have access to anything toxic (chemicals, plants, rat poison)?
Are they all similar breeds or all different kinds of breeds that are dying?
Is it hotter, colder, or more wet than usual?
Are they showing signs of breathing difficult or sinus problems?
Do they have parasites such as worms, mites, or lice?

Here's a scary question I just thought I would mention. Is there any chance they have bird flu?


I hope this helps!

Here is a link that could help: http://www.agriculture.gov.sk.ca/Poultry_Health_Disease
 
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You said that the 3 month old chicks were a little old for coccidia ... I am a newbie, I have raised 6 chicks from day 2, they are 3 months old now.  I have a similar issue, however, I got a little confused in the symptoms described.  My chicken is lethargic, does not want to eat, drank a lot last night, her crop was full of fluids (I guess what she drank last night) and emptied when I turned her over.  I don't know what to do for her.  I have separated her and she is now in the house with me.

I would love some advice 

Desperate ... don't want to loose her

Thanks,
Rhonda


Reed this link and act!
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/impacted-slow-and-sour-crops-prevention-and-treatments
 
Okay, lets see if we can guess what this is:

Are there any signs of paralysis in your chickens? when the chickens are showing signs of sickness they become listless and have a hard time walking. They will flop around to move and at that stage I will keep them in a crate. I did notice that a couple didn't do that but instead lay quiet in the corner fluffed up. Are they unable to stand? They are definitely weak and have a hard time standing or walking
Are they getting proper calcium and protein?At this point i am not feeding any supplements but they do get probiotics in their water and are eating a high quality crumble feed. Are they getting vitamins? Not at this time, but i am open to adding more than just the probiotics (and they started Corid yesterday in their water)
Is their pen dirty, musty or wet? No, in fact it is new- converted shed that we had installed linoleum flooring with pine shavings and a new roost with Sweat PDZ underneath so I can clean out daily
Is their food musty? It gets changed daily, so I doubt it
Do they have access to anything toxic (chemicals, plants, rat poison)? no access, They are in an enclosed run (25x25) that has a small oak tree inside (more of a bush and I was told unless I was soaking the leaves in water it isn't toxic)
Are they all similar breeds or all different kinds of breeds that are dying? They are all different breeds. To give an example i have lost 1 out of 3 RIR, 3 out of 4 Buff Orpingtons, 1 out of 2 cuckoo marans, both of my salmon Faverolle, 1 speckled sussex. Surpisingly I still have all my EE's, but I don't think they are growing at the same rate. My favorite chicken (an EE) is slowly getting skinnier although she seems interested in food and water and has a full crop that will also pass. None of the chickens have layed any eggs yet.
Is it hotter, colder, or more wet than usual? I live in Southern California where it is VERY dry and relatively mild temps. Today's high will be about 82.
Are they showing signs of breathing difficult or sinus problems? Not that I have witnessed.
Do they have parasites such as worms, mites, or lice? Not that I noticed. I just cleaned their coop and their poop looks pretty normal. It isn't watery or bloody or with worms. I think I had a mite problem a while back and feel like I got it under control.

Here's a scary question I just thought I would mention. Is there any chance they have bird flu? I am not sure what the signs of bird flu are but the necropsy came back as negative along with negative Salmonella.


I hope this helps! Thanks!
 

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