Deep Litter Method The Easiest Way To Deal With Chicken Litter Dlm

Deep Litter Method is basically a method in which you allow your coop litter to build up over a period of time.
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  1. Dawn419
    Deep Litter Method

    DLM is basically a method in which you allow your coop litter to build up over a period of time. As the chicken manure and litter of choice compost, it helps to heat the coop, which in turn helps keep the chickens warmer. I had never heard of this before BYC and cleaning the coops once or twice a year, as opposed to weekly cleanings fits our lifestyle.
    I began using the DLM in early September '07, when we moved most of our Bantam flock from the Teacup Pterodactyl Townhouse into the main coop. I started out by adding 4 - 6 inches of pine shavings to the coop floor. After laying down the shavings, I used my sifter to sprinkle a fine layer of food grade DE over the litter, then stirred them together. I'm using the DE to help dry the pooh faster, which helps eliminate odor and reduces the fly population. The DE also helps protect the flock from mites/lice as they love to dust-bathe in the shavings/DE mix.

    Litter first added to coop in September.

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    I added a "kick-board" to the doorway to help keep the litter in the coop. I just used a piece of scrap 1/4" plywood that we had handy. It's 10" tall.
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    I stir the litter every few days, sometimes everyday, it just depends on how much time the gang spends inside and how much pooh there might be. The Banties do a great job helping me keep it stirred when they're dust-bathing in the litter, which helps cut down the work for me also.
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    About once a month, I'll add a fresh layer of pine shavings and food grade DE. Again, this varies depending on how much time the birds spend inside. That's what I like about using the DLM. There are no set rules, you do this however it works best for you.
    Before adding new shavings...

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    Layer of food grade DE on stirred liter...
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    Layer of fresh pine shavings...
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    At this point, I just let the flock stir in the new shavings and food grade DE. I don't measure how much of the shavings I add, I just add it until the old stuff is fully covered.
    As of today (11-20-07), I've been building the litter up for just over 2 months. There is no chicken smell in the coop what-so-ever, which really surprised visitors. It is approximately 6-8 inches deep at this time. I may do a clean-out in spring, but I may let it go longer...it will all depend on smell, how deep it is, are the shavings covering up the pophole door (just kidding)...

    I've had some dust issues, nothing major though. I just use a plant mister full of warm water and mist the shavings before stirring them up to help keep the dust down.
    I'm also using DLM in the Chick-N-Barn. I just added a few pieces of wood in the access door to help hold the litter inside. I won't be able to go very deep, about 6 inches, so I'll probably have to clean it twice a year. Only time will tell.

    Deep Litter Method Threads:
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    Deep Litter Method, Please explain, ? from newbie...by sunnynparadise
    Can I use the deep litter method with Southeast Texas humidity?...by bionic_chicken
    Deep litter and linoleum floor?...by ebonykawai
    Getting mixed up...deep litter...by Sunny Day

    Thanks for stopping by! I hope more people will make a page showing how they use the DLM.

    Dawn & Skip
    updated: 4/12/08


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  1. rickh
    What is DE?
  2. melissahov
    diatomaceous earth. You can pick it up at tractor supply.
  3. hamster
    Yep, picked it up the other day
  4. crittergarden
    I buy timothy hay by the bale to feed my house rabbit. Would I be able to substitute that for the shavings?
  5. Monroetrio
    I just found out that feed stores, the ones that actually mix the feed on site, have DE in stock! They mix it in their feeds. It's .69/lb here.
    I'm definitely using this method once I move my chicks to their permenent coup!
    Thanks for the article!
  6. sanndd
    it is the best way to keep a coop for sure. I just did the spring clean today( i have not cleaned my coop since Sept 2011) and other than the pile on the floor, you wouldnt know. its smells earthy not stinky, and i have healthy happy chickens. i use shavings on the floor, but have hay in my nest boxes so of course that falls in the mix and it doesnt seem to make a difference.
  7. gailm549
    I'm curious, is the DE the same as what you would use for a DE pool filter or is it different?
  8. ThatChick
    The DE you want in your coop is FOOD GRADE DE, and the stuff you put in your pool filter is NOT food grade.
  9. auntie tee
    Thanks for the info on the DLM. I have 2 questions: 1) will this method work with a concrete and NOT an earth floor and 2) how much ventilation do you need for this method? I plan to add only passive ventilation (windows, vents). If I have enough openable windows and regularly add more litter when it gets "smelly," should I be okay? Do you water inside and outside the coop or inside only? Is there a problem with water spillage causing damp areas in the litter?
    So, I guess I went to 4 questions....Thanks !
  10. carmeldean
    I have an open air coop and have been using straw as liter cover. Is this an acceptable for the deep liter method?
  11. Nychickenfam
    We use DLM in our concrete coop[
  12. auntie tee
    Thanks, Nychickenfarm
  13. Nychickenfam
    Not a problem... We start it late fall through winter... the first warm day in April we empty... You might want to use a mask when you empty your coop. : )
  14. pumphousehill
    I've been using the deep layer method since last fall and it works great! The hens, and now baby chicks, are constantly stirring it themselves! I never have to do it for them. I have to hang my feeder higher and put a wooden box upside down under it for them to step up to the feeder, because they would fill it with straw and pine shavings as they are scratching for bugs. I also occasionally throw in some scratch (cracked corn and seeds) for them to find. Even if I don't they still stir it up, looking for bugs. My later is actually one shrink wrapped bundle of pine shavings and one small bale of alfalfa (there was no straw at the farm store that day) and it has nicely filled my coop floor with about 6 inches of layer. I assume I will have to add new material more often, once my 8 chicks are bigger. The wonderful part is that there is no smell. The only time it started to smell like urine was when the hens went broody. I highly recommend this method!
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  15. galinhaprincess
    It is a great method! Very easy to do!
  16. allygb99
    i have been using hay for bedding. but it dosent asorb and gets EVERYWERE!! i used pine chips before but there a pain, what should i use, and also what do you use? thanks!
  17. pollitaroja
    What about the rive sand method?. I think it will be much better. I will try it when my babies are big enough. I have a converted dog run with a nice roof. I just need roost boxes and voila!
  18. ScottN73
    I've been using shredded paper from my micro cut paper shredder. It's a cross cut shredder so the shreds aren't long. Using this paper with the deep litter method seems to be working very well so far. The paper clumps to any messy poops and is extremely easy to clean up with a shop vac when I'm ready to give the girls a fresh roosting area. I also use it as bedding in the lay boxes. It really cushions the eggs and doesn't attract mites or lice. Best of all......it costs nothing to replace and the ladies love it!
  19. LeelaK05
    Thanx ScottN73!!
    Paper shredder is a GREAT ideal for the layin boxes! Gonna start saving my shredded paper now...& save me $$Money!! :D
    DLM is a Great Method....been usin it for years!...Cant afford to keep buyin 8.0 cu. ft pine shavings for TSC every week!!
    My girls work kick the pine shavings outta there layin boxes & I add new every other day...after awhile...I just pick it up off the floor & put it back in their nest...hehe
  20. Jwakeford
    Just a word, I wouldn't use hay for deep litter method. Shavings compost quicker which keeps the smell down. Hay is not as absorbent and anytime the litter is damp it will get smelly and grow bacteria!
  21. Ladybug922
    Is Straw good for the DLM? I have been using shavings, but I would rather use straw to compost for the garden. As it is starting to get to winter I would like to use a less intensive cleaning method so I'm not freezing my arse off cleaning the coop all winter!
  22. Nottinghamranch
    wow, I had never heard of this. Thanks for this article. I will definately try this once I get a good flock going.
  23. DaphneNL
    Straw is good! Been using it for years now. I only use this method for the winter months, so I start building up in september/october and clean out the coops in march/april. I started trying this because we use kind of the same method for the horses in the winter months.
  24. atira
    Side note for those who use shredded paper...works great as a replacement of cat litter...you can generally get shredded paper from businesses for nothing other than the asking. Might try this with my girls too...
  25. earlybird10842
    do you ever have to clean the coop?
  26. americanvalkyrie
    I just started using DLM and it's great for heat. When I add fresh litter, I toss in some scratch grain so the chickens stir it up for me. During dry days, I open the main coop door wide (they free-range) to get a bit more air going on everything. I need to get some DE out there!
  27. blondiebee181
    IDK about hay, but I use straw with my ducks and I deep litter and it works great! Of course hay is moister so I wouldn't reccomend it and I also live in Idaho where it's dry, I wouldn't deep litter in moist environments.
  28. CoopersCoop
    it needs to be open air. We did DLM over winter and our flock got bronchitis!!! Too much dust and too much moisture. Shavings are horrible for your chickens ,,, BEWARE!
  29. chicks are me
    neat..... I'll have to use that. it's starting to get cold :p
  30. Gittx
    I have cats, so when I heard about the Deep Litter System about a year ago, I piled the sand/dirt mix from the yard, on the floor of my coop. The ladies love it and do an excellent job of keeping it stirred up for me. I used about 5 inches of the sand/dirt and although I use DE, I've never needed it for the coup floor, unless it's needed for their dusting activity :D
  31. Rattie
    All, this is a fascinating thread and I've learned a lot! I only have four chickens but I'm adding DE to the pine shavings in my minicoop today - any reason it shouldnt work in a coop that's about 5x5 (not including nest boxes)?
  32. Chicks Galore3
    Thanks! This answered all my questions!
  33. LoveChickens123
    we do the same thing
  34. LoveChickens123
    it does work i even do it
  35. MrsWolfe
    Thank you for information, this will help this newby when it comes time to add the chicks in the coop.
  36. Yello
    Using DLM for the winter and will clean out once the weather gets warmer. My question is What the heck to do with the used shavings/poop when I clean out the coop? Any suggestions?
  37. BirdbyGavin1103
    Going to give this a try come cold weather. My only question is can I add the litter I clean out to my composter or the pile of grass clippings I have composting?
  38. Nutcase
    Awesome article! I have to try this.
  39. lindychick
    I am absolutely going to try this. I get pine shavings & DE of my horses. Seems simple enough.
  40. ghostwolf211
    I got turned onto Sweet PDZ here on these forums and I use the deep litter method...I love it!!
  41. chicknnugget
    I tried sand in the bottom of my coop. Bad Idea! It got really smelly, and needs to be cleaned everyday. DLM is way easier and a lot less smelly.
  42. Haida
    I've never heard of this, and it sounds wonderful! I have to give it a try!! Thanks for posting!
  43. armorfirelady
    No reason to use DE. Just add different kinds of bedding material. I use grass clippings, leaves, weeds, pine needles.....whatever is free around my house. I also bag them up to use all winter. Once a week i may stir the DL to get the poop mixed around. Right now they have a dirt base with a little shavings in it. The poop dries & breaks down really fast with no use of DE. There is no smell and no flies. I also have plenty of ventilation even around the perimeter of the coop so that helps keep it dry. So easy to do and great fro the ground underneath, the hens and my garden in the spring :)
  44. itsbob
    I would think the DL method is similar process to a fish tank. You're building up bacteria in the litter the same way you would build up bacteria in the fishtank gravel..

    In that regard you would NEVER want to remove all of the litter, or you'll be removing all of the good bacteria and starting again. I would THINK (I'm new to this) that you'd want to remove at most, 2/3 of the litter and replace with new. I would even go as low as 1/3rd at any time. That way you always have a thriving colony of good bacteria, and not starting over again, at which time your flcok would be more vulnerable.
  45. itsbob
    I would assume DL method is similar to the gravel on the bottom of fishtank, or how a septic tank works.. In both you never 100% clean out or replace what's there. A fishtank you normally don't change out more than 30% of the water, or overclean the gravel as you get rid of all the good bacteria the tank worked long and hard on building.

    I would assume (i'm new to entire chicken thing), if using the DL method, you would do the same. Never replace more than a 1/3 to 2/3 of the litter that way there is always a good base of good bacteria already present and you aren't starting all over again. If you replace 100% you go back to zero beneficial bacteria, and your flock has to adjust, and their immunities will degrade.
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  46. Sam3 Abq
    I keep hearing that sand is the way to go - will have to compare the two more closely.
  47. brushfloss
    I use the deep litter method and have since my flock of 10 moved into the coop out of the brooder. They have been in the coop for 5 months. I use DE with pine shavings and I also mix in Sweet PDZ every 2 weeks. There is no smell, the bedding is dry and no bugs. I am not going to clean out until the spring as I see no need to at this point. I add new pine shavings as is necessary and keep the bedding at a level of about 6 inches. My poop board under the roost keeps most of the dropping from getting into the litter, but "it" happens.
  48. RoseMarie1
    I'm also using DLM and it's amazing how the poop disappears in the stuff. Totally amazing! LOVE IT! Although I do not use DE in mine because I want to keep the good bugs in mine.
  49. Lady of McCamley
    DLM method works great in our run area (I prefer to change the hen house regularly to keep clean boxes but dump it into the run).
    In order for DLM to work best, it needs to be in contact with the natural bacteria in the soil. DE can interfere with that bacteria and keep the DLM method from working its best. I like using pine shavings as they breakdown very nicely with the manure for compost with our clay soil.
  50. CibolaChooks
    DLM has been amazing though. Its the only way to go if you can keep the rain and snow out of it. Duhhh Lady of McCamley answered The DE question for me.

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