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Songster
I will start by admitting my extreme embarrassment: 6 out of 8 of my girls have bumblefoot. I don't know how long it's been going on, but about a week ago, I noticed one of my Golden Laced Wyandottes limping. Did a foot check that night, and almost all of them had it. I thought I'd start this thread because in my frantic internet searching, I only turned up one other post from someone dealing with this in a full backyard flock- so I hope my experience can be helpful for anyone else unfortunate enough to find themselves in my position. I intend to keep up with this thread until the last foot is unbandaged!
I am guessing the cause is a high roost + rocky soil in their run. The high roost issue has been addressed. But now we're on to treatment.
The girls and their feet
I have the following:
-4 Golden Laced Wyandottes. 2 had very bad, whole-pad black scabs on both feet. 1 was completely clear (my perpetual broody). 1 has a fairly bad big black scab on one foot
-2 Golden Comets. 1 had a very bad, whole-pad scab on 1 foot, other foot clear. The other has one small scab on one foot.
-1 Barred Rock. Completely clear
-1 RIR. 1 small scab on one foot
Pre-Treatment
Every night last week, I sprayed everyone's feet with vetiricyn at night as they were roosting. For those with the small scabs, this seems to be helping, as the small scabs are shrinking. For now, no surgery for them, just continued spraying. For 4 of the others, bumblefoot surgery was necessary.
Day 1 Treatment (Sunday)
I started with the most critical cases, who were going to need the surgery.
GLW #1, "Ro"- Caught Ro and gave her a 10 minute soak in an epsom salt bath. Wrapped her up "papoose style" and flipped her on her back with a helper holding her still (though she didn't fight much). Both of her pads were essentially given over to scabs (sorry I didn't think to get pictures), BUT, the good news was that the edges of the scabs were quite raised and separating a bit from her feet. With tweezers, I tugged firmly on the edge of the first scab, and it tore back pretty instantly, with a large cone attached to it. Sprayed down with Vetricyn, packed with triple antibiotic, then applied a sterile gauze pad also soaked with Vetricyn and another glob of neosporin. Wrapped all that up with "CVS Breathable Gentle Tape" and some vet wrap over that. Moved on to the next foot, repeated. This one bled a lot, but the kernel that came out was much bigger, and left a really gaping hole in her foot. Flushed, packed, taped. Sent her back to the run with the others. She seemed agitated with the tape on her feet and pecked at it some, but generally went about her business as though she was feeling fine.
GLW #2, "Robin." Robin was the one that initially tipped me off with her limping. Started again with the epsom salt soak. Her feet looked bad when I got her wrapped in a towel and flipped over. The pads were pretty swollen, and the feet were a bit hot. My problem here was that there was no way in to the scab- it had no raised edges, no area where it was torn back anyway. Essentially, I had no way "in" to the foot. I didn't have a scalpel, just tweezers. I soaked the foot some more, hoping to continue to soften it. I got it soft enough so I could sort of take the tweezers, squeeze the whole thing together (almost like squeezing a pimple) and pull away at some of the scab. I definitely didn't get the whole thing open though, and was only able to pull small pieces of the scab back in hopes of getting some neosporin down in there. Same problem on both feet. Not feeling great about her.
Golden Comet #1, "Goldie." Goldie had a huge scab on just one foot. Gave her a quick epsom salt soak. Raised edge on the scab, so grabbed it with the tweezers, gave a twist, and the hole scab + kernel popped right out cleanly. Flushed with Vetericyn, packed with neopsorin, and sent her back with the rest. She did not like the feeling of the bandage and did a bit of a hop/limp, but she zoomed around like normal.
GLW #, "Pretty Girl." Put pretty girl in the tub to soak, and she fought every step of the way and escaped. She managed to allude capture for well over an hour, at which time my helper was no longer available. So she will have to get her scab removed today.
Day 1 "Recovery"
Robin was looking really uncomfortable afterwards, way more "ouchie" than she had ever been before the attempted surgery. She would take two small hops at a time, using her wings as crutches, and then just lay down, refusing to move. This continued all day, and she looked absolutely pathetic. I decided to try another epsom salt soak, knowing I definitely didn't get the foot drained properly. I ran into a big problem when I went to unbandage her feet- the CVS tape was virtually impossible to get off- I do NOT recommend using it for this purpose! I had been running low on vet wrap, which is why I used it, but it was a disaster, I had to cut it off. Got some more vet wrap and will use that exclusively now.
Anyway, got Robin's feet unwrapped, plopped her back in the epsom salt soak for 15 minutes, still no luck getting any more of the scab off after that. Her feet were really hot and swollen looking. I rebandaged after spraying again with Vetericyn and adding neosporin. Worried that the heat means I spread the infection- is that possible that poking/proding made it spread?
Because she was so sore, I put her in the large dog crate deeply bedded in hay with her own food and water. She fought it at first, but I covered it with a towel, and she looked pretty pleased to carve out a little nest for herself. Her color looked good and bright, and she is eating and drinking.
Because of the disaster with the too-adhesive CVS tape, I grabbed Ro and Goldie and changed their bandages. I also had to cut the tape off of them, but figured would be easier to just get it over with now rather than waiting. Both of them were looking great- no swelling, heat, or redness, just clean little holes. Took the opportunity to flush and repack with neosporin, then rebandaged with only vet wrap. Both roosted with the flock for the night. I am planning on an every-other-day bandage change with these two unless things go south.
Here are a few pics-
Medical supplies (I followed directions from the many bumblefoot threads here, plus the Chicken Chick's popular thread)
Poor Robin, walking a little right after the surgery, but she quickly refused to walk much more:
Ro and Gold on the roost- excuse the poop on the roost, it is kept clean but both headed there immediately after being released from surgery and had some "nervous poop" that I cleaned off.
I am guessing the cause is a high roost + rocky soil in their run. The high roost issue has been addressed. But now we're on to treatment.
The girls and their feet
I have the following:
-4 Golden Laced Wyandottes. 2 had very bad, whole-pad black scabs on both feet. 1 was completely clear (my perpetual broody). 1 has a fairly bad big black scab on one foot
-2 Golden Comets. 1 had a very bad, whole-pad scab on 1 foot, other foot clear. The other has one small scab on one foot.
-1 Barred Rock. Completely clear
-1 RIR. 1 small scab on one foot
Pre-Treatment
Every night last week, I sprayed everyone's feet with vetiricyn at night as they were roosting. For those with the small scabs, this seems to be helping, as the small scabs are shrinking. For now, no surgery for them, just continued spraying. For 4 of the others, bumblefoot surgery was necessary.
Day 1 Treatment (Sunday)
I started with the most critical cases, who were going to need the surgery.
GLW #1, "Ro"- Caught Ro and gave her a 10 minute soak in an epsom salt bath. Wrapped her up "papoose style" and flipped her on her back with a helper holding her still (though she didn't fight much). Both of her pads were essentially given over to scabs (sorry I didn't think to get pictures), BUT, the good news was that the edges of the scabs were quite raised and separating a bit from her feet. With tweezers, I tugged firmly on the edge of the first scab, and it tore back pretty instantly, with a large cone attached to it. Sprayed down with Vetricyn, packed with triple antibiotic, then applied a sterile gauze pad also soaked with Vetricyn and another glob of neosporin. Wrapped all that up with "CVS Breathable Gentle Tape" and some vet wrap over that. Moved on to the next foot, repeated. This one bled a lot, but the kernel that came out was much bigger, and left a really gaping hole in her foot. Flushed, packed, taped. Sent her back to the run with the others. She seemed agitated with the tape on her feet and pecked at it some, but generally went about her business as though she was feeling fine.
GLW #2, "Robin." Robin was the one that initially tipped me off with her limping. Started again with the epsom salt soak. Her feet looked bad when I got her wrapped in a towel and flipped over. The pads were pretty swollen, and the feet were a bit hot. My problem here was that there was no way in to the scab- it had no raised edges, no area where it was torn back anyway. Essentially, I had no way "in" to the foot. I didn't have a scalpel, just tweezers. I soaked the foot some more, hoping to continue to soften it. I got it soft enough so I could sort of take the tweezers, squeeze the whole thing together (almost like squeezing a pimple) and pull away at some of the scab. I definitely didn't get the whole thing open though, and was only able to pull small pieces of the scab back in hopes of getting some neosporin down in there. Same problem on both feet. Not feeling great about her.
Golden Comet #1, "Goldie." Goldie had a huge scab on just one foot. Gave her a quick epsom salt soak. Raised edge on the scab, so grabbed it with the tweezers, gave a twist, and the hole scab + kernel popped right out cleanly. Flushed with Vetericyn, packed with neopsorin, and sent her back with the rest. She did not like the feeling of the bandage and did a bit of a hop/limp, but she zoomed around like normal.
GLW #, "Pretty Girl." Put pretty girl in the tub to soak, and she fought every step of the way and escaped. She managed to allude capture for well over an hour, at which time my helper was no longer available. So she will have to get her scab removed today.
Day 1 "Recovery"
Robin was looking really uncomfortable afterwards, way more "ouchie" than she had ever been before the attempted surgery. She would take two small hops at a time, using her wings as crutches, and then just lay down, refusing to move. This continued all day, and she looked absolutely pathetic. I decided to try another epsom salt soak, knowing I definitely didn't get the foot drained properly. I ran into a big problem when I went to unbandage her feet- the CVS tape was virtually impossible to get off- I do NOT recommend using it for this purpose! I had been running low on vet wrap, which is why I used it, but it was a disaster, I had to cut it off. Got some more vet wrap and will use that exclusively now.
Anyway, got Robin's feet unwrapped, plopped her back in the epsom salt soak for 15 minutes, still no luck getting any more of the scab off after that. Her feet were really hot and swollen looking. I rebandaged after spraying again with Vetericyn and adding neosporin. Worried that the heat means I spread the infection- is that possible that poking/proding made it spread?
Because she was so sore, I put her in the large dog crate deeply bedded in hay with her own food and water. She fought it at first, but I covered it with a towel, and she looked pretty pleased to carve out a little nest for herself. Her color looked good and bright, and she is eating and drinking.
Because of the disaster with the too-adhesive CVS tape, I grabbed Ro and Goldie and changed their bandages. I also had to cut the tape off of them, but figured would be easier to just get it over with now rather than waiting. Both of them were looking great- no swelling, heat, or redness, just clean little holes. Took the opportunity to flush and repack with neosporin, then rebandaged with only vet wrap. Both roosted with the flock for the night. I am planning on an every-other-day bandage change with these two unless things go south.
Here are a few pics-
Medical supplies (I followed directions from the many bumblefoot threads here, plus the Chicken Chick's popular thread)
Poor Robin, walking a little right after the surgery, but she quickly refused to walk much more:
Ro and Gold on the roost- excuse the poop on the roost, it is kept clean but both headed there immediately after being released from surgery and had some "nervous poop" that I cleaned off.