well, in just ONE hour I am down to three doves, they were fine ALL day, but right at sun set they were all flying around the pen like something had spooked them, I found a RAT perked rather happily on one of their perches, helping itself to the food, it saw me and split, clearing the intire duck house in one jump and landing about 2 feet from me, and hurrying out of the bars on the gate, one of the cats saw it and started after, but lost in in the grass. I had to go get Becca from our nieghbors, saw a couple doves on the ground,and only counted 4, I looked around, I couldn't find my original guy...intend to look in the morning I left them, well, when I got back..I saw one of the doves on the ground...well, HALF of it. the other dove is COMPLETLY gone, no body, so that means that the rat would have had to have killed one, drug it OUT of the pen, then came back and killed another. I'm just thanking the heavens that none of the ducks were hurt! I one of our cats was IN the pen, however the cats KNOW better, even the maddie knew better, and she was our biggest hunter, Tyler her brother is scared of the ducks, but HE was in the pen, the way the bird was eaten, it wasn't a cat.. this is the second time I've seen a rat IN the duck pen, the chickens killed a small one a few weeks back, but this one was bigger. I am hoping the cats will take care of it. I've got nothing against rats, we've got pet rats, but wild ones, ew!