A White is a White is a White

Discussion in 'Peafowl' started by deerman, Mar 13, 2011.

  1. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    Oh what color is a white peafowl ? white nope, white is an absent of color.

    Most white you see are going to be blue, but lot more colors out their, as more and more colors are added to the pieds.

    RECORDS RECORDS , thats a good reason for them

    Blue pied X Opal pied = some white which are blue white(can't see the blue)
    Opal pied X Opal pied=some white which will be opal white

    Now a opal white would be worth alot more money than a blue white,

    Knowing what color your white is can save you year of breeding.

    This is also true with the patterns also. like i have whites from blackshoulder pieds.........so they are blackshoulder whites

    Very few of my white are just blues.

    Reason so many white are , is same reason most chicks from mixed pens are blue.

    why care what color your white is?

    I have white chicks that are from charcoal carrier pied genes, mothers were also. These chicks are either charcoal white or split charcoal.

    So if one is a charcoal white peacock and bred to a pied hen split charcoal = RARE CHARCOAL PIED CHICKS (50%)These are also spalding




    Reason I posted this, anyone getting white, alway check if from pied and what color pied........so the white's color could mean that white could be worth 100s of dollar more than a white.

    Like my White peach peacock is worth double or more what a blue white peacock is....
     
  2. Mahonri

    Mahonri Urban Desert Chicken Enthusiast Premium Member

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    Interesting... wish I had room for peafowl.
     
  3. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    Quote:same in other birds to like parakeet pied produce some white, which can be blue or green.
     
  4. jenlynn4

    jenlynn4 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    so when you breed white to white you may any number of colors? Will you also get white?
     
  5. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    Quote:No white X white = 100% white


    White mask the color the bird is.
     
  6. jenlynn4

    jenlynn4 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    oh I see...so untill you breed your white to a color (if uncertian of what color background it is) you will never know....I have never been good with genetics..LOL..I was thinking about getting a white pair. I may go for the silver Pied though because I like that color too. Now if only spring would come!
     
  7. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    yes i rarely breed white to white, because i get enought of whites, silver pied to silver pied.

    remember silver pied is a pattern , you can get them in many colors.
     
  8. jenlynn4

    jenlynn4 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    OH BOY! [​IMG] I have MUCH to learn....I thought silver pied was a color!!! LOL I thought it was the birds with the varagated sky blue/grey/white on the neck....shesh I am such a greenhorn! LOL
     
  9. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    just a little at a time, silver pied, pied, white eye ,blackshoulder, barred wing(wild type) are the 5 patterns . Bird can have more than one pattern.
    Like blackshoulder pied white eye. only one color(we think, myself i wonder about the peach)

    So pick you pattern, and then paint it the color you like...[​IMG] 10 colors
     
  10. AquaEyes

    AquaEyes Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:same in other birds to like parakeet pied produce some white, which can be blue or green.

    Actually, in parakeets, there is no single mutation which results in white. "White" is the combined result of a blue mutation with a yellow mutation, one of which is called lutino. The blue mutation deletes the lutein (yellow pigments) and the lutino mutation deletes the melanin (brown-black pigments). Additionally, lutino is sex-linked recessive and blue is autosomal recessive. Thus all albino parakeets are really "blue-lutino."

    Pied is a completely different mutation (and in budgies, there are several different pied mutations...one is dominant, the others are recessive) and affects only the distribution of melanin. Thus a green pied bird will NOT have white markings -- it will have yellow markings. The only pied birds with white markings will also have the blue mutation. Thus pied leaves markings devoid of melanin, and in a bird that is blue, there is no lutein, so removal of melanin and lutein results in white patches.

    This is a simplified version of how it works, because there are different kinds of "blue" mutations with varying levels of lutein (some "blues" have none, some have reduced...thus some "blue" budgies have white faces, and others have pale yellow faces, and are two different types of blue). Also remember that in parrots, there are two main types of pigments, whereas in peafowl, there is only one. "White" is the absence of color, so in parrots, "white" requires removal of two different pigments, and thus two different mutations.

    There are also different genes which would result in a "yellow" bird. Lutino removes all melanin, and lutino birds are pure yellow with white where there would otherwise be blue or brown or black in a normal green budgie. There is also a "yellow" mutation which does not eliminate all melanin, and these "yellow" birds have some dark markings. If combining this "yellow" with blue to get "white" then the result is not "albino" but a sort of "marked off-white" bird. There are also cinnamon mutations, which reduce the melanin from black to warm brown, and the green to a greenish-yellow.

    Peafowl have a small number of mutations when compared to other domestic species, but there is still room for more variation, if people would try combining colors. Note above how I said that there is no "white" mutation in budgies, but the color comes about from combining two different mutations.

    :)

    ~Christopher
     

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