I've been looking for a dog for some time now. I'd really like a Belgian Tervuren or a Groenendael, and have talked to several breeders. None will let me buy one without spaying or nuetering it first. I can see their point...... to some extent. They don't want puppy mills or ramdom, careless breeding. However, what they're doing is NOT RIGHT or fair to those of us that are responsible and take animal husbandry and care seriously. I would like to train my dogs to be herding dogs (which is what they were originally bred for). IF the dog turns out to have good herding instincts, I'd like to continue on with that line. However, the breeders are saying that I have to show the dog in Conformation and have to get their "champion" in order for me to be able to breed them, or they won't sell them to me. I'm not interested in Conformation: I'd want to breed for herding instinct and temperment. And what happens if I get one that is an AMAZING herder, but isn't quite pretty enough??? I can understand that a health check is required before breeding the dogs (after all, with all the inbreeding that's been done for the sake of Conformation, a LOT of dogs now have major genetic problems) I think that the Belgians that originally bred them didn't really care about their exact color, size, and length of coat either. If I buy a dog, it should be MY desision whether or not I want to breed them. Right now breeders have the markets cornered, and there aren't that many breeders of these dogs, which only makes the gene pool of these dogs even smaller. I went to the pound several times to look for a dog, but it would be honesly very difficult to train a 3-year old pit-bull or rottweiler cross to herd ducks! (that's all I've seen at our local animal shelter) Maybe we should spay and neuter our ducks and chickens before we send them out too! Someone may outcross them to another breed that we don't approve of!