For years I thought a RIR was a .. well.. YUK bird, then I went to a lady's house where I saw my first (after many years and years showing) good one.. I think if people saw the diffrance between what hatcheries sell and what the breed standard is.. it would help alot of us. The bird I saw was a RIR rose comb roo.. his size alone was amazing. His awesome mahogany color, stunning!! If I would have seen that bird years ago, I may have liked RIRs. I would love to see some more of that breed that are good ones.. So post away..