1. If this is your first time on BYC, we suggest you start with one of these three options:
    Raising Chickens Chicken Coops Join BYC
    If you're already a member of our community, click here to login & click here to learn what's new!

Are these guys still cockerels?

Discussion in 'What Breed Or Gender is This?' started by babyrnlc, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. babyrnlc

    babyrnlc Chillin' With My Peeps

    1,080
    11
    151
    Jan 30, 2011
    Tulsa, Ok
    Ok, I was sold two Black copper Marans "pullets". I came on here and was told they were both roos. Since then, I was told in an email that they were poor quality bcm pullets, then told they were pullets, but not BCM, maybe Cochin crosses (which the lady that had the bcm also raised cochin.)

    So they are 5 months (the little one is 4 months) and no crows still, no hackle or saddle feathers that are pointy. Their combs are the same as all my other 4-5 month old pullets (smaller than my leghorns and less red too)

    Are they still cockerels? Any guess on what breed they really are?

    Thank you.

    He-She (used to be Hershey, but changed it)
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Next to my Barnevelder, same age
    [​IMG]

    Saddle feathers
    [​IMG]


    Cocoa (it is 4 months old)
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  2. mama24

    mama24 Chillin' With My Peeps

    1,661
    13
    163
    Mar 7, 2010
    GSO, NC
    Hershey definitely looks like a pullet to me, not sure on Cocoa. They are definitely cochin/bcm crosses, though!
     
  3. hmmcc123

    hmmcc123 Chillin' With My Peeps

    594
    0
    111
    Apr 27, 2011
    University Place, WA
    Looks like a pullet to me. [​IMG]
     
  4. hmmcc123

    hmmcc123 Chillin' With My Peeps

    594
    0
    111
    Apr 27, 2011
    University Place, WA
    Quote:Both of them that is. [​IMG]
     
  5. Illia

    Illia Crazy for Colors

    16,242
    104
    336
    Oct 19, 2009
    Forks, WA
    Your photo of the "saddle feathers" doesn't show any feathers on the back [​IMG] Push the wings away and get a photo of the actual back. At this age, saddle feathers are just little babies on the back, despite what people constantly say otherwise.

    The first one shown is definitely 100% cockerel.
     
  6. mama24

    mama24 Chillin' With My Peeps

    1,661
    13
    163
    Mar 7, 2010
    GSO, NC
    Wouldn't the comb and hackle/saddle feathers be more prominent at 5 mos if they were boys, though? I do think the 4 mo old looks a little iffy, but I thought the first was a girl. I got rid of my little cochin cockerels around 3 mos b/c they were obviously boys, and I have BCM chicks that have pretty decent combs already at 5 weeks. Why are you so sure the first is a boy (I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm right, trying to learn from someone with more experience here. [​IMG])
     
  7. Jschaaff

    Jschaaff Chillin' With My Peeps

    277
    0
    109
    Apr 25, 2011
    New Hampshire
    Quote:Ahhhh I learn SO much from you Illia! Thank you for taking the time to share this kind of info!

    Jessa
     
  8. Illia

    Illia Crazy for Colors

    16,242
    104
    336
    Oct 19, 2009
    Forks, WA
    Quote:Don't look at the comb and wattles. Many breeds don't have big ones, many shouldn't.

    Look at the color, THEN comb and wattles. The first one has obvious boy color (girls can't have red shoulders on a black, blue, or splash bird) the second one sort of looks it too but there's no actual red there, and the comb/wattles are indeed small and dark. So the question relies on the back. I always look closely at the back, just between the wings of boys/girls this age.

    A male will have very small, triangular, shiny feathers coming out. In a bird this color, they'll likely be red too.
     
  9. babyrnlc

    babyrnlc Chillin' With My Peeps

    1,080
    11
    151
    Jan 30, 2011
    Tulsa, Ok
    Quote:When I am out petting them I look there and on the neck and there is nothing. I wish they would just crow or start getting some saddle feathers.

    Can a rooster not ever get the saddle or hackle feathers? 5 months just seems so late. These are my first roosters I have had this long.

    The lady taking them is finishing her coop. No prob since they are not crowing.

    Also do you think they are poor bcm or mixes?
     
  10. Magic Birdie

    Magic Birdie Overrun With Chickens

    7,672
    20
    251
    May 3, 2011
    Magic Birdie land
    They both look like girls, not very sure about Cocoa...
     

BackYard Chickens is proudly sponsored by