As I read the reports on the Arizona tragedy, I'm struck by how frequently these days, there seem to be tragedies that involve untreated mentally ill people. This shooter lived with his family, and had clear, obvious signs of mental illness. He had five prior contacts with the college authorities and/or police, and he had been required to resign from the school, only to return on condition of getting psychiatric help. Not everyone here is familiar with the extreme difficulties that families face when a mentally ill member refuses to accept help. It is nearly impossible to get a person care if they don't want it - even the police, the courts, and many advocacy groups don't seem to be able to make a dent in this problem. Many families are very frustrated, afraid and grieving over their mamber's illness. The reaction when a tragedy occurs often comes from the parents, 'I suppose now that someone has been harmed, someone will listen'. That isn't always the case. Many times, family members don't know how to identify signs of mental illness. They may believe it's something else - usually something that would not be expected to result in such a tragedy. I have a question for you. Those of you who are in a family - not necessarily a parent, a child, aunt, grandparent, any family member. What would you do, if you suspected that a family member was becoming ill enough to harm himself or others, and he refused treatment? We all already know that very few mentally ill people ever harm someone. But what would you do if you sensed that there was a threat to others from YOUR family member, and that family member refused any and all help, treatment or contact with anyone who could help?