Ok we'll start with our automatic waterer! It can supply water to up to 65 birds with no problems. This is the inside of the waterer. We took a 5 gallon bucket, cut 3 inch holes all the way around about 2 inches from the bottom. Then we put an automatic float in it, and hooked it up to a faucet outside with a washer hose. This is the outside of the waterer, and as you can see there is no huge muddy mess! Now our automatic feeder Again a 5 gallon bucket, and I went to Goodwill and bought an old plastic drink tray with about a 2 inch lip on it. I melted a hole in the center of the pan, and in the center of the bucket. I then screwed the pan to the bottom. Then we took a hot knife and made 1 inch high by 2 inch wide holes all around the bottom. Put a screen on the top to keep little birds out and whalla! Okay so we have ducks too, and we know how much of a pain it is to empty their pools! Went to Home depot bought a small piece of pvc, and a cap to go on it. Went home cut an small X in the side of the pool. Shoved the pvc piece through it, and used caulking inside and out. Now when it's time to clean the pool we just unscrew the cap and it empties itself! ENJOY! And please feel free to post pics of your automatic waters, feeders, and such!