autosomal dominant barring, is there such a gene?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by onthespot, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. onthespot

    onthespot Deluxe Dozens

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    The Ameraucana standard does not allow for lighter colored shanks and was wondering if anyone here knew of a breed of poultry, ANY breed of poultry that had autosomal dominant barring on a breed with dark slate or black legs... Anyone, anyone?
     
  2. herechickchick

    herechickchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    From the other forum the suggestions were a Campine or Fayoumi, maybe Tim will come along and give his thoughts on creating a TRUE Barred Ameraucana.
     
  3. Kev

    Kev Overrun With Chickens

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    AFAIK there is no such thing as autosomal dominant barring. Only know of two, sex linked barring and autosomal barring. Autosomal barring is recessive.

    It is unfortunate that sex linked barring also dilutes the skin pigmentation, I would absolutely love to have barred black skinned naked necks but alas.. Have seen pictures of Campine roosters with the best (autosomal)barring crispiness and beauty though.

    One alternative is to suggest the standard to allow for light shanks in barred varieties? Sure to be controversial but a necessity as far as barring is involved..
     
  4. herechickchick

    herechickchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Well from the tone of the post on the Ameraucana forum I do not see that happening. I guess we will just have to settle for barred EE's. [​IMG]
     
  5. tadkerson

    tadkerson Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Autosomal barring is caused by the interaction of the silver, birchen, dark brown and the pattern gene in the campine. The fayoumi has a different birchen gene called fayoumi birchen, silver, the columbian gene the dark brown gene, melanotic gene and the pattern gene.

    Tim
     
  6. pips&peeps

    pips&peeps There is no "I" in Ameraucana

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    Well from the tone of the post on the Ameraucana forum I do not see that happening.

    It really doesn't help when someone tells the founding members of the Club that the eight recognized colors are boring. The OP pretty much lost his vote on any possible changes in the future, as the Board Members make most of the decisions about stuff like that.

    What's that saying about catching flies with honey?????

    As I stated on the ABC forum, how many other recognized APA breeds have more than 8 recognized varieties??

    The answer: Only a handful and most of those breeds were recognized in 1874. How many years do they have on the ameraucana? Um, that would be a hundred.​
     
  7. herechickchick

    herechickchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    pips&peeps :

    It really doesn't help when someone tells the founding members of the Club that the eight recognized colors are boring.

    Well I think each person is entitled to his or her own opinion even if that opinion might upset another. I personally like the 8 varieties very much but I think it would be interesting to see others developed. I think a dark mahogany red and red pyle would be cool if those colors are even possible in Ameraucana.​
     
  8. onthespot

    onthespot Deluxe Dozens

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    These people sell campines. I called them and they said to try in February to make sure I get what I want. I will try then. It would be cool to make one that could possibly fit the standard, even if "they" don't want it. To me, chickens are a hobby, not life and death cage match. I don't have kids and am trying to downsize from horses, so I am used to shelling out for what I want, and prefer a steep and vigorous learning curve over slogging away at something for years with imperceptible changes over a long time. I am not trying to upset the Ameraucana group. I am trying to challenge myself and enjoy my hobby to the fullest. If I stumble on a good combo, so much the better, if I don't... soup. yum yum.

    http://www.lakecumberlandgamebirds.com/index1.html

    OOPS, forgot the link.
     
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  9. onthespot

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    pips&peeps :

    Well from the tone of the post on the Ameraucana forum I do not see that happening.

    It really doesn't help when someone tells the founding members of the Club that the eight recognized colors are boring. The OP pretty much lost his vote on any possible changes in the future, as the Board Members make most of the decisions about stuff like that.

    What's that saying about catching flies with honey?????

    As I stated on the ABC forum, how many other recognized APA breeds have more than 8 recognized varieties??

    The answer: Only a handful and most of those breeds were recognized in 1874. How many years do they have on the ameraucana? Um, that would be a hundred.​

    Hi jean,
    I am not trying to catch Ameraucana Board members, with honey or without. I was hoping to find people over there who were working on barred EE's, since it is not a recognized color for Ameraucanas. There was a pre-existing thread about EE's, so I did not think I was out of place to post offering to trade eggs with anyone interested. I was shown the door before I barely said hi. he was rude and reaped what he sowed. I don't care about his club, or his birds or his "feelers" at this point. I am just interested in barred EE, olive eggers for that matter, which is even a worse "sin" in their book, because they want blue. I might try to breed some dark legged ones just for spite.​
     
  10. pips&peeps

    pips&peeps There is no "I" in Ameraucana

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    I am not opposed to people wanting to develop new colors either, but if it cannot conform to the standard, then what is the point in continuing?

    The leg color standard is a big issue and I don't see the Board changing that anytime in the future.

    The colors that I know of that are being developed are:

    Lavender
    Black Gold
    Blue Silver
    Salmon
    Mottled
    Birchen
    Splash & Splash Wheaten
    & I was aware of your Red Pyle work
     

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