Awesome Genetic info on Buttons and Coturnix Quail!

Discussion in 'Quail' started by monarc23, Nov 6, 2008.

  1. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    Check this out for anyone who's interested! Seems that the DNA of Coturnix (japanese coturnix) quail are VERY similar to that of button quails and chickens!


    What this means is that it's more likely for those of us who are interseted in hybridizing Buttons to Coturnix may be even more possible than we first wondered! [​IMG]

    "The blue-breasted quail mtDNA was found to be a circular DNA of 16,687 base pairs (bp) with the same genomic structure as the mtDNAs of Japanese quail and chicken, though it is smaller than Japanese quail and chicken mtDNAs by 10 bp and 88 bp, respectively"

    http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/6/439

    sorry just excited ha ha! Now on to my plans to incorporating the gorgeous genetics of the BQ into the not so colorful coturnix. Well coturnix are colorful, but nothing like how the buttons are. All I'm hoping for is to put blue in my coturnixs....eek that'd be exciting! [​IMG]

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  2. lowcountrypoultry

    lowcountrypoultry Chillin' With My Peeps

    Thats great! I am going to try this, but I think the normal size coturnix will breed better with them.. (if they even really do)

    Now what I really want to happen is for them to make fertile offspring! [​IMG]
     
  3. Bossroo

    Bossroo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    From a scientific and ethical point of view... it is definately frowned upon to create this type of hybrid as there are many endangered species that they could possibly crossbreed with and severely limit their survival. There are too many unethical pheasant so called breeders that are doing this and passing them off as purebred to those that don't know any better. Just DON'T do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    Quote:um coturnix quail are DOMESTICATED birds...that were bred with many sub species..they are not a pure wild form thank you very much.

    I'm not stupid if i were to breed a hybrid form i wouldnt pass them off as pure. I completely understand the worry in game birds that are to be released, but you are NOT to release coturnix or button quail for hunting and establishing flocks....so you need to go be high and mighty to someone else. Coturnix quail and button quail are just like chickens, you dont release them back into the wild here. Pheasants, and other types of quail (esp native) that's different....i see the worry there. But with a domestic coturnix that's already been mixed with various subspecies (so has the button quail) they aren't the true wild form of themselves anyhow. do your research before you get all "ethical" on me. That would be like telling chicken people not to mix their breeds together..if they want to (to improove egg production or type) they should be allowed. Now people who are breeding true wild chickens...that's different i'd hope if they were caling them pure they'd keep them pure..but domesticated chickens, coturnix quail and buttons...ha....no way.

    Most coturnix quail end up on the table anyhow. These are going to be COTURNIX hybrids..not button hybrids that I am going to be working for. The button is just going to incorporate some genes for me. And not you or anyone else is going to stand in my way of my goal...this is my personal goal and it wont harm anyone. If it works, these birds will be in a completely different area from my other birds..im not stupid or irresponcible.
     
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  5. hypnofrogstevie

    hypnofrogstevie chick magnet

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    I am crazy. I plan to try it. I will also have pure button and cortunix. Thats icscool though [​IMG]
     
  6. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    Quote:yep it is! [​IMG]

    they have "bobbirds" (bobwhite crossed with coturnix) so why not Cottons (ha ha).
     
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  7. lowcountrypoultry

    lowcountrypoultry Chillin' With My Peeps

    If anyone gets this to work before me, I want some of their eggs first! lol [​IMG]
     
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  8. Akane

    Akane Overrun With Chickens

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    this type of hybrid as there are many endangered species that they could possibly crossbreed with and severely limit their survival

    First name me an endangered species within the cortunix genus that these quail can hybridize with? There are none listed that I know of. Only 1 extinct and the rest under "least concern". There is also only a couple native quail species and in most of the country only the bobwhite. That is the only species that would be in danger of hybridizing and they already do it. I've not heard of any hybrids surviving to mix with the native population. There is more danger from poorly bred captive raised pure bobwhite not surviving in the wild than from hybrids.

    There are too many unethical pheasant so called breeders that are doing this and passing them off as purebred to those that don't know any better.

    Because there are unethical breeders we should not breed? This is self destructive. If the responsible breeders do not breed because there are irresponsible breeders all we are left with are irresponsible breeders. There are unethical breeders in every species and breed. There are 1000s in dogs, horses, and purebred chickens. Go look at ebay. There are numerous "ameraucanas" that are sold as pure which aren't and every hatchery does it too. Should we stop breeding them because of that? No more pure ameraucanas cause someone could sell an EE as a pure.... The logic doesn't work in the end. The fact unethical breeders exist is not a reason to stop breeding. It means we need to make sure to be more responsible and to educate others so they do not fall for what these idiots are selling.​
     
  9. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    Quote:hehe, i hope it can work I really do, I hope they are able to breed too and aren't "muley" but I guess we'll see. I think i'll try AI on them instead of trying to breed them naturally but i have to learn more about it first.
     
  10. monarc23

    monarc23 Coturnix Obsessed

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    Quote:First name me an endangered species within the cortunix genus that these quail can hybridize with? There are none listed that I know of. Only 1 extinct and the rest under "least concern". There is also only a couple native quail species and in most of the country only the bobwhite. That is the only species that would be in danger of hybridizing and they already do it. I've not heard of any hybrids surviving to mix with the native population. There is more danger from poorly bred captive raised pure bobwhite not surviving in the wild than from hybrids.

    There are too many unethical pheasant so called breeders that are doing this and passing them off as purebred to those that don't know any better.

    Because there are unethical breeders we should not breed? This is self destructive. If the responsible breeders do not breed because there are irresponsible breeders all we are left with are irresponsible breeders. There are unethical breeders in every species and breed. There are 1000s in dogs, horses, and purebred chickens. Go look at ebay. There are numerous "ameraucanas" that are sold as pure which aren't and every hatchery does it too. Should we stop breeding them because of that? No more pure ameraucanas cause someone could sell an EE as a pure.... The logic doesn't work in the end. The fact unethical breeders exist is not a reason to stop breeding. It means we need to make sure to be more responsible and to educate others so they do not fall for what these idiots are selling.​

    Akane, you said it like a pro! People should always be educated on what their animal/species is before they get it anyhow..a.nd most don't and that's where the problem lies is people not knowing what they're getting into before they get into it.

    If i DO happen to produce these so called "cottons" (i jokingly named them that for entertainment purposes lol) I will happily call them hybrids (because that's what they WILL after all be) and they'll be a lot more expensive than any other bird I sell just because of the fact that im sure it's going to be challenging for me to even get it to work for one...and for another because I'll only want people who are serious about fiddling with the genetics (like i am) working with them. This is all just for color genetics to me that's my purpose.

    Just like the purpose of the Bobbird (bobwhite mixed with coturnix) was bred because it supposedly flies better or something for hunting training.

    I think hybridizing is fine as long as it's done responcibly (not let get into pure populations where people wont know any better) which is simple to do... keep the hybrids separated from the normal flock, ID them with legbands, breed responcibly, and sell responcibly.

    People who don't do these things are where the problem lies, and you're right we shouldnt stop breeding what we breed just because of the unethical ones who don't care and push hybridized pheasants (and other species) into the pure populations. It's simple to avoid but as it seems most dont avoid it.

    I would and I know others would as well as it's the right thing to do.

    I may have cottons someday, buttons and coturnix i dont think that makes me a bad person really. [​IMG]
     

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