Baby chick stiff knees, sneeze

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by cuntryuppiechick, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. cuntryuppiechick

    cuntryuppiechick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you so much in advance!!

    1) What type of bird , age and weight.

    3 day old silkie. .

    2) What is the behavior, exactly.

    Yellow peep - stiff knee joints, crying, can't stand yet, when held up cannot put legs down right, legs out in front
    Brown peep - one leg out to the front/side. A little crying.

    The sneeze seemed to have gone away because crying is more fun.

    3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms?

    Yellow peep - legs from birth.
    Brown peep - leg from birth.

    4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms?

    No

    5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma.

    No.**Update, noticed that joints have crusty dried residue on the outside.

    6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.

    Eggs arrived via post office. Were a bit dirty.

    7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.

    Hand feed water with polyvisol. Offered mash and egg. Not taking yet but none of the others are really eating yet either.

    8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.

    Unknown

    9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?

    Polyvisol. Leg wraps. Yellow peep was just placed in a chicken chair to try to relieve the pressure on her joints. I have not immunized.
    *Update: added oregano oil, honey, sea salts to diet. Oil applied to scabby knees.

    10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?

    I can probably find a vet if needed but they may not be open til Monday. I'd prefer not to.

    11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.

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    12) Describe the housing/bedding in use

    Rubbermaid tub with aspen wood chips. One small lamp because it is nearly the correct ambient temp in the room.
     
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  2. cuntryuppiechick

    cuntryuppiechick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Anyone? Yellow peep is starting to scream continuously. I may cull unless someone thinks its fixable. I hoped this would be a good hatch. [​IMG]
     
  3. luvinrunnin

    luvinrunnin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am really new at this so have no clue, but I hope you get some constructive answers.
     
  4. cuntryuppiechick

    cuntryuppiechick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Update:

    Knee joints have crusty dried stuff like the inflammation is seeping out. Is that Merek's? She's still taking water from hand but no real appetite while the others have started to eat.
     
  5. NewToFarming

    NewToFarming Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Can her knees move if you move them or are they in a locked position?

    Very cute chick!
     
  6. cuntryuppiechick

    cuntryuppiechick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    They are very stiff and she screams! When I dangle her they will slowly start to move back into a better position.
     
  7. CarolinaChickenKeeper

    CarolinaChickenKeeper Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I recently had one with a hip problem and the hobble brace worked well with it. Don't cull until u have exhausted all options. Try contacting Judy with three cedars silkies, she's a wealth of knowledge, and kind to help. Nikki
     
  8. ScaredOfShadows

    ScaredOfShadows Chillin' With My Peeps

    wash the legs well, in warm water. - the crust may be left over from the egg and hatching.

    are the legs sitting outwards from under the body? like a really wide stance? it may be spraddle leg. Hobble the legs together with some rubber bands, tie loops on each leg (secure but loose and check every day so they dont get too tight) - and tie the hobbles together in a 'proper' postion, about a thumb width apart. the rubber band allows the chicks to move, and strengthens the leg at the same time. Spraddle leg you usually see people who use bandaids, but I have found the bandaids are super hard for them to move in, and I feel too sorry for the poor babies with bandaid hobbles.

    the more I look at the pics, i'm convinced its spraddle leg, so your going to want to stop the use of the chair and hobble the legs (rubberbands above the last toe @ the ankle area) the chair is only continuing the problem, with spraddle leg they have to put weight on the legs and keep them in the right position or it will only mature with the problem - if not worsen. When you hobble them, it forces the legs in the right position, but allows room to walk and move (the rubber bands also make for good exercise on the legs, as they expand and contract so its like leg crunches for people! [​IMG] ) - if its having trouble initially standing up, try putting it in a small cup like a teacup. or a sauce bowl - or even a cut toilet paper roll, this will help support the chick in an upright position and it has to put weight on the legs in the correct position. The chair you've got designed is taking weight off the body and not forcing the legs in teh right position.

    any baby is going to cry when being 'man handled' lol sticking it in a cup for a bit its not going to be happy, but keep it warm, and even you put the cup in the brooder with the others, so it can still see everyone else. just keep a close eye on it.

    you will have to make sure it eats and drinks, but doing the cup for a few hours today and tomorrow (an hour or so at a time, until he can stand up) and then with the hobbles on in the brooder, it may do just a lot of standing around for the first day or two. keep hobbles on for a week, just make sure they dont get tight on the little legs.

    I have had great success with rubberband hobbles.
     
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  9. cuntryuppiechick

    cuntryuppiechick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you for the info. I started with a hobble for spraddle initially and removed them when swelling continued and they were making the chicks far too uncomfortable. Previous chicks with spraddle treatments did not have the joint stiffness and swelling and tolerated the hobbles well. I decided to let them both go because they dropped weight and were deteriorating quickly. Both had started to scream continuously and I didn't want to see them suffer. There was literally no movement left in the joints and they were continuing to swell. Essentially the equivalent to us having a basketball under our kneecap. I believe it was a genetic condition or porosis for future reference if anyone else has a similar issue. Merek's was ruled out as they were too young and it didn't seem to fit the profile of other conditions.

    Today will be better. [​IMG]
     
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  10. faith644

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    how do you do the hobble brace i have a 2 day old chick with leg out to the side she cant stand or put it under her.
     

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