Some of you may remember I've been looking for started buff orpington's. I finally found a nice guy who was willing to ship them for me. I bought 12. Only 3 survived the trek. 1 cockrel & 2 pullets. I had 10 pullets & 2 cockrels. The birds were 8 weeks old, fully feathered. $60 in shipping & the post office took 2 days to deliver. They don't allow water to be in the box with the chicks. Not very happy. These orps will have to lay golden eggs now to make up the cost.