Black Copper Marans faults - examples, photos anyone?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by everythingjane, Apr 17, 2009.

  1. everythingjane

    everythingjane Out Of The Brooder

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    I think this topic may have been covered already, but I'm not sure because I couldn't find a thread for it..
    I'm wondering if those of you who are more knowledgeable about the breed and variety would give some examples of what to look for when selecting the best adults.. and what things are undesirable..
    I know that yellow on the feet/legs is bad.. feathered feet are preferable.. I've read about the tail set sometimes being too high, but I'm not sure what this looks like.. I have also heard that too much copper or not enough is a problem.. examples anyone?

    What are some more things to look out for?
     
  2. blackdotte

    blackdotte Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I see many reports of Wheaten Marans chicks being born from Brown-Red (Black Coppers in USA) matings in the US.
    This means that many lines do not have pure genotypes even if they look (superficially) like a Brown-Red (Black Coppers ).
    Chicks born of these impure birds are hatched in the ratio of 25% pure Wheaten;50% impure Brown-Red (Black Coppers) & 25% pure Brown-Red (Black Coppers ).
    This impurity can be seen by the perfusion of males with yellow/gold neck hackles, and females with laced breasts and body colour instead of black breasts and bodies.
    Potentially a large number of the 'so called Brown-Red (Black Coppers) are affected'.
    David
     
  3. everythingjane

    everythingjane Out Of The Brooder

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    Thanks for the replies.. I can see how it would be really hard to know if BCs carried wheaten since recessives can "hide" for generations..
    I would be really interested in seeing photos, especially of correct and incorrect tail sets so that I could compare.. Also, too much, and not enough color.. and what does a laced breast look like?
     
  4. tfpets

    tfpets Mmm, tastes like chicken

    This is the Marans standard, I will put the specific Black Copper Faults that I find below.

    Standard of the Marans
    Disqualifications

    Yellow on shanks or toes. White ear lobes.

    Standard Weights

    Cock….…..8 lbs. Hen……7 lbs.
    Cockerel….7 lbs. Pullet…..6 lbs.
    Shape—Male

    COMB: Single, moderately large, straight, upright, evenly serrated with five points.

    BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.

    FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.

    EYES: Large and prominent.

    WATTLES: Medium in size, oval.

    HEAD: Moderately large in size, slightly flattened on top.

    NECK: Of medium length, broad and deep, well balanced. Hackle well developed, moderately flowing over shoulders.

    TAIL: Full, rather short, moderately well spread, carried at an angle of 55 degrees above horizontal.

    WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.

    BREAST: Strong, broad, and full, well rounded when viewed from both the front and side.

    BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly more inclined that of the female.

    BODY AND FLUFF: Body deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders and carried high. Overall rectangular in shape. Fluff medium in length.

    LEGS and TOES: Legs set well apart, straight when viewed from the front. Shanks-moderately long and smooth. Toes-four, well spread and straight and of medium length.

    PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.

    Shape—Female

    COMB: Single, moderately large, straight, upright, evenly serrated with five points. When in production Marans females commonly exhibit a lopped comb which shall not be penalized on an otherwise good specimen.

    BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.

    FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.

    EYES: Large and prominent.

    WATTLES: Medium in size, oval.

    HEAD: Moderately large in size, slightly flattened on top.

    NECK: Of medium length, broad and well balanced, moderately close feathered.

    TAIL: Full, rather short, moderately spread, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal.

    WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.

    BREAST: Strong, broad, and full, well rounded when viewed from both the front and the side.

    BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly less inclined that of the male.

    BODY AND FLUFF: Body deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders and carried high. Overall rectangular in shape. Fluff medium in length.

    LEGS and TOES: Legs set well apart, straight when viewed from the front. Shanks-moderately long and smooth. Toes-four, well spread and straight and of medium length.

    PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.

    Clean-Legged Marans

    Disqualifications

    Any feathers or stubs appearing on shanks or toes.
    Feather-Legged Marans
    Lightly feathered down outer sides of moderately long shanks. Outer toes lightly feathered to the end. The middle or inner toes, free from feathering.

    Disqualifications:
    Feathers on middle or inner toes.

    In the Marans, this required silhouette must symbolize one of the
    undeniable characteristics constituting the “signature” of the breed.

    Without locking it up into a too-precise diagram, the silhouette of the Marans is simple but characteristic:
    The back, slightly inclined, never short, takes part in the construction of the particular type of the Marans.
    The body, when it fits into a rectangle, shows the minimum length desired for a good perception of the standard type.
    The shanks in particular are always rather average in size, and the overall the whole of the animal fits into an almost perfect square.
    The slope of the tail forms an angle of 45° to a maximum of 60° compared to a horizontal line.

    Black Copper Standard/Faults according to the French Standard (I cant link to the U.S. right now, it's error/site closed)

    Serious Defects: Brown-red variety (Our Black Copper)

    Cock : brown wing bay; any other colour than black on the flights; straw- coloured hackles.

    Hen : brown spots on the body.

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    Last edited: Apr 19, 2009
  5. Wynette

    Wynette Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm seeing LOTS of Copper Blacks out there with red/copper feathering in their breast. This should be bred out for both males and females. Also, I've seen side sprigs in cock combs, squirrel tail (tails held straight up in the air rather than at the preferred 45 degrees), and white feathering in tails. Also, an amber/brown eye is preferred...I'm seeing lots of green/yellow eyes.

    Bear in mind the Marans is a young breed here in the U.S., and it will take diligent breeders some time to breed all this out. Good luck!
     
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