Black Copper Marans

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by tree13ag, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. tree13ag

    tree13ag In the Brooder

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    I bought 3 BCMs that parents came from Bev Davis (per seller) 2 have feathered legs, 1 doesn't. I have 2 questions about these pullets.

    #1 I'm unsure about this bump on their beaks (the 2 with leg feathers have it, the 1 with smooth legs doesn't). All the pics I've seen on the internet shows no bump. Anybody know what this is & why 2 of the girls have it?

    #2 One of the girls doesn't have the right coloring (seller says it was a fluke). Could it possibly be a wheaton instead?

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    Thanks! Your input is greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Mahonri

    Mahonri Urban Desert Chicken Enthusiast

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    I have an Ameraucana with that "bump"...I'm subscribing to this one... I'd love to know what it is also.
     
  3. Krys109uk

    Krys109uk Songster

    You got the birds from a seller who had the breeding stock from Bev? Has the breeder mixed the birds with birs from other people?
    I've never see those bumps on the beaks of Marans.
    The wheaten is a wheaten with mahogany. This happens when wheaten lines have been mixed with copper blacks. The copper blacks have mahogany & proper wheaten does not. This bird has happened to inherit the mahogany. There may well be 'copper blacks' emerging which won't have inherited mahogany & will be too light in the hackle, thus they won't be proper copper blacks.
     
  4. tree13ag

    tree13ag In the Brooder

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    Quote:seller says all birds came from the same breeder (Bev Davis)
     
  5. tree13ag

    tree13ag In the Brooder

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    Quote:so the lighter colored one would be called a "wheaten with mahogany"?

    Quote:so do you think this is the case with my 2 bcms, they aren't actually bcms? do they look to light in the hackle?

    thanks for the help
     
  6. Chicks_N_Horses

    Chicks_N_Horses Songster

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    Those don't look like purebred davis lines to me. I am stumped on the bump. Mine don't have them. [​IMG]
     
  7. Krys109uk

    Krys109uk Songster

    It all sounds odd to me. I know Bev; she's very dedicated to breeding good Marans, has been for years.
    You might ask Bev whether she's ever experienced the lump on the beak with her birds.
    I don't think Bev would have mixed wheatens with her copper blacks unless she could see something to be gained. Bev does know about genetics & I'd have thought that if she had used wheatens in her copper blacks, she'd have made sure they were properly sorted out before selling from them.
     
  8. Krys109uk

    Krys109uk Songster

    so the lighter colored one would be called a "wheaten with mahogany"?

    It isn't a recognised colour or anything. It is a wheaten bird which has inherited a Mahogany gene which it ought not to have.

    so do you think this is the case with my 2 bcms, they aren't actually bcms? do they look to light in the hackle?

    I don't know. I can only see part of one copper black. It does look unusual.

    I have not seen any of Bev's birds for a while but she's been working for a long time for many years on her birds & was getting nice results. I cannot imagine she would be selling incorrect birds now.​
     
  9. tree13ag

    tree13ag In the Brooder

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    I'm new to all this, but the inconsistencies in the birds got me thinking. I'm sure they'll be great pets, but I'm following up with an email to Bev. If for nothing else, to make her aware that someone is misrepresenting her breeding line.

    so......I have 1 wheaton & 2 black copper marans (pet quality) yes?
     
  10. McGoo

    McGoo Songster

    I've had Bev Davis BCM and Wheatons and they don't look like your chickens - at all. Bev's birds have more leg feathering. And the wheatons are much darker at that age. Maybe the line was mixed by seller with something else? HOpe the eggs are dark.
     

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