Black Sumatra Rooster crossed with Patridge Orpington? Outcome in color, etc?

Discussion in 'What Breed Or Gender is This?' started by chickenlittle91, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. chickenlittle91

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    [​IMG] *Here is mom. Puffed up because she doesn't want us near her eggs*
    So, my neighbors rooster who has a LONG tail is -- I'm assuming -- a Black Sumatra rooster just based on looks. He's lenky, green/blue tint in his feathers, long tail. Anyway, this rooster just can not stop hopping our fence to get to my hens and after egg candling some of my Patridge Orpington hen's eggs that she's gone broody on -- WE ARE HAVING CHICKS! I am just wondering what I should expect here. I know both of these breeds aren't the most common, and to be honest I am not thrilled that she has bred with anything other than another Orpington, but it is what it is. Does anyone out there know the outcome of a Sumatra rooster with a Partridge Orpington? Will babies get the beautiful feather pattern from mom?

    Edit: There is a possibility he is NOT a Sumatra rooster, and just a regular 'ol black rooster with a red comb, still lenky and long(er) feathers than what I've seen. Possibly just a sexlink rooster? Wish I could get a picture but when we approach him he runs.

    I'm a newbie so any help appreciated! :)
     
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  2. donrae

    donrae Hopelessly Addicted Premium Member

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    Black is one of the more dominant colors in chickens. Chances are your chicks will be basically black. Doesn't really matter what breed he is, black is black.

    The partridge from the momma will likely result in red/gold leakage in the offspring. Pullets will be black with gold leakage around the neck/throat/chest/collar. Males will be black with red/gold leakage in the hackle, saddle and wing bows.

    The white skin should be dominant.

    The body style is going to be a mis mash. Those breeds are pretty opposite, so you're going to get a very undistinguished bird as far as body shape.

    If the male has a single comb, the chicks should all have single combs. If he has a non-single comb, the chicks will also as single combs are recessive.

    Just as an fyi, a black sex link rooster is not solid black. The sex is linked to the color, and in black sex links it means the females are not barred and the males are. Male black sex link roosters are colored like this...

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  3. chickenlittle91

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    Thank you so much! He is definitely all black, so not a black sexlink. I was hoping chicks would retain moms beautiful color. We have about 13 days left give or take until they hatch (there are 2) so I will post pictures with an update. :)

    Just wondering, if the rooster is an Australop, should we still expect mostly black chicks? I was reading about lavender something or other...
     
  4. donrae

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    If the rooster is black, the chicks are going to be black. Pretty much.

    If you put a black rooster over a blue or splash hen, you'd have a possibility of blue. But over gold/brown colors, you're pretty much looking at black, with leakage. Partridge just doesn't compete against extended black.

    Lavender is a recessive gene, so unless you breed lavender to to lavender, you get black.
     
  5. Lady of McCamley

    Lady of McCamley Overrun With Chickens

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    x2 on everything Donrae said...she's spot on.

    The good news is that you'll be able to tell by the chick down who poppa was then.

    If it is the black fence hopper, you'll have black down chicks.

    It if is one of your roos....then you'll get something other than black chick down.

    If you have partridge coloring for poppa and momma, then you'll get chipmunk colored chicks.

    A laced or partridged with a red based or yellow based roo will also give you chipmunk colored chicks...just varying degrees of how dark a chipmunk and how gold the down.

    The reliable Buff Orpington will give you pretty chipmunks with gold base.

    If you have any white roos, then white tends to be dominant and you'll get solid yellow chicks.

    Here is an awesome genetics calculator and you can run patterns in this to guess who poppa was since you know momma.
    http://www.breedbook.org/?action=geneticscalculator&tab=CHICKEN

    Rule of thumb is partridge adult equals chipmunk chick. So can a lot of other patterned, laced, colors produce chipmunk chicks. Sometimes you even get a black/brown chipmunk, but you need both parents to have lacing or patterning to overcome the solid base black.

    Black adult will be black down as chick, and as Donrae said, black solid dominates everything on the other parent. So will barred, but chicks will have white dot. (Any barring will show up as a white head dot, although not always seen if it is a yellow or gold color base).

    White birds are yellow down chicks. White is also usually dominant.

    Red birds are foxy gold chicks, sometimes with some chipmunk striping.

    Have fun with your babes. Broodies do an awesome job!

    LofMc
     
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  6. drumstick diva

    drumstick diva Still crazy after all these years. Premium Member

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    donrae really knows her stuff [​IMG]
     
  7. henny1129

    henny1129 Crazy Livestock Gal

    Hey there! I honestly know nothing about "color genetics", but I'm trying to learn more so I thought I'd follow this thread. :) Plus, I'm interested to see what the chicks look like. :) And :welcome as well, @chickenlittle91!
     
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  8. Gray Farms

    Gray Farms Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I had the same color cross last year by accident "set their eggs by mistake" in my Brahmas. A partridge Brahma rooster over black Brahma hens. All matured to be all black with a little gold leakage in the hackle feathers and the males got some red/gold leakage in the wing bars.
     

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