Bloody poo, I think alot of my hens have cocci......... UPDATE Mon pg2

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by hawtchick, Sep 6, 2008.

  1. hawtchick

    hawtchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    This is posted from a different thread, but it is more suited to be here I think:


    This may be a dumb question, but I have this one NHR hen who I have noticed just today has started just hanging out all alone, and "sleeping" in the grass.
    When I saw her earlier this morning I actually thought she had died. [​IMG]
    She lets me come right up to her and stroke her which is not like her at all. I find my reds are not a tame as my leghorns.
    Anyone have any ideas?? She seems too young to be broody, and she looks healthy. I have seen her eat and drink today.
    Just a worried mama. [​IMG]
    Thanks
    Jess

    eta: I just went out to check on her, and she pooped while I was there and it was kind of clear white runniness. [​IMG]
    She has always been one of my smaller girls, especially next to my leghorns.

    eta: saturday, she had blood in her poop. [​IMG] Stopped at the grain store and picked up the antibiotic and filled all the waterers, and cleaned out the coop. Just checked in the coop and she is still not perching in her usual spot, but she is still with us. I also made sure I got some of the treated water into her earlier, for my own piece of mind.


    SUNDAY******* went out to let everyone out and now more blood in the clean coop. I believe it's from my guinea hen now.
    I am so sad. I went to the grain store, again, got new grain (layer pellets), and out some probiotics in with the food.
    Water has the soluble terramycin................
    Guess now I just wait.
    Good thing is is that everyone seem so be eating well, and I have been watching my NHR drinking the med water.:|
    also put a call into the local vet who will help with poultry. The guys at the grains store said they can't believe all the people losing chickens this year. I am guess all the rain and humidity.
    This sucks!!!
     
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  2. redhen

    redhen Kiss My Grits... Premium Member

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    sorry to hear about your girl...heres a bump..Wendy
     
  3. hawtchick

    hawtchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I also want to add that I am not sure on the mixing ratio of terramycin.
    I put in the waterers, but I am afraid I didn't use enough.
     
  4. mypicklebird

    mypicklebird Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I think more info would help, what are they eating? How long have they been in this coop? Are there older birds in there, or were there chickens in there in the past? Bloody diarrhea in youngsters is often (not always) coccidia. If they were and are on medicated chick start, it makes cocci less likely. if they aren't on medicated chick start (which contains a coccidiostat), and were recently put into a coop with dirt access that had chickens there before- likely they all have cocci and this sicker one just has the worst case. Terramycin is not helpful for a GI parasite- terramycin is an antibiotic. A fecal sample to a vet will tell you if you have cocci in the bird, if you can't so this, your local feed store can direct you to a medication that can help with the active disease. A week or so ago there was a thread about Amprolium being an actual FDA approved cocci treatment for poultry- unlike the more easily found Albon.
    Bloody feces in a lethargic young bird could be something else, but I would venture cocci until proven otherwise.
    jess
     
  5. hawtchick

    hawtchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    selfish bump [​IMG]
     
  6. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    If your hen has cocci, Terramycin will do nothing for you, as picklebird said. You need either Corid (concentrated Amprolium) or Sulmet. Sometimes they eat something that can cause red poop that resembles blood, too. If you suspect cocci, I'd do a round of Corid ( there's a brand called Cocci-Rid that is the same thing). If it's cocci, it will fix it. If not, it wont hurt them. All that said, worms can also cause bloody poop if the load is too much for them to tolerate.
    For the record, even with medicated feeds, many are experiencing cocci in their younger birds. Dont know what's up with that, but it's happening. I always have to treat for cocci now when I put youngsters on the ground. It's a pain, but cocci is everywhere, or rather the oocysts that cause it, and hard to actually avoid entirely.
     
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  7. hawtchick

    hawtchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    The feed store didn't have any of the other antibiotic and we don't have a tractor supply here.
    Where can I get corid or sulmet? The vet???
    The grain store told me to use the terramycin, so that's why I started it.:|
    Now I am so stressed, and I don't know where to go from here.
     
  8. Solsken Farm

    Solsken Farm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feed stores have sulmet, typically. All of ours do. Make sure you get sulmet or corid and the dose is 2 tbsp per gallon. You also need to add the vitamin/electrolyte powder feed stores sell for poultry along with this. Appartently the medication causes vitamina and mineral deficiencies that can be harmful to the patients......I have had 2 outbreaks here late in the summer and I have high cleanliness regimens. I have to agree with Speckledhen, that this seems like a tough summer. We have had record rains. Don't despair, it is treatable, if the catch it early enough. Good luck!!!!!!![​IMG]
     
  9. hawtchick

    hawtchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am still waiting on the vet at this point b/c none of the grain store carry the corid or sulmet. [​IMG]
    I do have the electrolyte stuff. so I will go ahead and start that.

    IS there any thing else that could cause the blood in the poo??
    How long can the birds last if this is cocci?
    I keep checking on them and they are all doing great. Haven't seen any new blood in the poo..... this is so sad.
    sorry for all the questions...........
     
  10. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Worms, as I mentioned before, can cause bloody poop. Not much except for cocci and worms, really, that I know of causes that.
    There are old farm remedies that give birds milk products to help their intestines withstand the ravages of cocci. Here is a link for you that explains that:

    http://www.cornerstone-farm.com/dealing_with_coccidiosis.htm
     

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