Bourbon red x Narragansett x blue slate poults

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  1. honda150

    honda150 Chirping

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    4CB21262-D929-43E1-B451-0F7CD0940C37.jpeg Picked these poults up last night. It’s been about 5 yrs since I raised turkeys. Now I know Narragansett x bourbon red gives you red bronze poults and feathered sex from birth. Are there any that look red bronze or bronze out of these 4 poults. And yes there is a speckled Sussex chick in there in to lol. Just curious what you guys think what colors these 4 poults will be.thanks Joel 4CB21262-D929-43E1-B451-0F7CD0940C37.jpeg 4CB21262-D929-43E1-B451-0F7CD0940C37.jpeg 4777D23C-6C3B-46CD-BA6C-66D0C2C2589E.jpeg
     

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  2. R2elk

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    If the tom is the Bourbon Red and the hen is the Narragansett, that pairing will only produce Red Bronze males carrying a hidden recessive Narragansett gene and Red Bronze female poults. There is no feather sexing between Red Bronze poults.

    If the tom is the Narragansett and the hen is the Bourbon Red, that pairing will produce Red Bronze males carrying a hidden recessive Narragansett gene and Golden Narragansett females.

    Red Bronze poults

    Golden Narragansett poults

    Your thread title says Bourbon red x Narragansett x blue slate poults. I do not see any evidence of the Slate gene in these photos.
     
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  3. honda150

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    Ok. I’ve been on porters web site. The problem is being color blind lol. So looking at the pictures of poults what do you believe I have then?
     
  4. R2elk

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    It looks like the dark ones are Red Bronze and the light ones could be Golden Narragansett. Of course that is based on the belief that the father is a pure Narragansett and the mother is a pure Bourbon Red. If either the mother or father is carrying any hidden recessive genes, then the poults could be something entirely different.
     
  5. honda150

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    Ok thanks. I believe the mother is a Narragansett x blue slate x bourbon red that’s been crossed over the years. Sorry I know it’s a pia but I appreciate everyone’s help.
     
  6. Bantamgirl715

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    I have a bunch of Bourbon Red/Sweetgrass poults. Is it possible they could be sexed by feather color? I have my suspicions about their sexes already. They are a week old.
     
  7. honda150

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    E96F3BDC-D62A-4B1F-9D1B-56C76997B7EB.jpeg So you think 1 is red bronze ?2,3 maybe red bronze? 4 Golden Narragansett?
     
  8. R2elk

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    No, there are only two known sex linked color genes, Narragansett (nn or n-) or Brown (ee or e-). Neither Bourbon Red or Sweetgrass have either of those genes.

    There are behaviors that close observation can help indicate the sex of very young poults. There are no guaranteed methods of determining the sex of poults that are less than three months old and sometimes even longer when dealing with late developing toms. Traits such as strutting at a very early age may or may not mean anything more than dominance and may or may not have anything to do with the sex of the poult.
     
  9. R2elk

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    1 - Red Bronze
    2 & 4 - maybe Golden Narragansett or possible Bourbon Red
    3 - possibly Bourbon Red or Golden Narragansett

    Because of all the possible hidden recessive genes I am just guessing.
    The Slate gene is a dominant gene (D) so only takes one copy to display the trait. If the mother is not displaying any Slate color, it does not matter that somewhere in the past a Slate was in the mix. If the Slate color is not displayed, the Slate gene did not get passed on.

    The red (r) gene is an incomplete recessive so even a single copy of the red gene can affect the displayed color. If the mother had a recessive red gene crossing with a Bourbon Red tom could produce some Bourbon Red poults.
     
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  10. honda150

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    Thank you very much for your help! Only time will tell. I’ll post em in a couple weeks. Thanks again
     
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