Breeding for Mycoplasma resistance?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Summerfest, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. Summerfest

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    I am wondering if any of you are breeding for Mycoplasma resistance/ immunity. Long story short, my flock came down with MG from wild birds. This flock is only a year old, so I am convinced that restarting my flock would end up with the same results in another year or two. I figure that I have two choices: cull my flock and give up the hobby, or keep my flock and breed for resistance. I'd say half my chickens got sick on the initial outbreak, a few quickly died, some seemed completely immune. I am now breeding the resistant birds. If they never got sick, are they still carriers? I'm assuming so.

    I was just wondering if anyone has tried going down this path, and if so how did it end up? Did your flock eventually become immune? Or was the experiment a failure?
     
  2. 3riverschick

    3riverschick Poultry Lit Chaser

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    I don't know the answer but I do know the international poultry industry is making great strides in mounting resistance to this. In fact just the other day I got an invite to a webinar on the subject. It was today I think hosted by Nutraferma ,I believe. Check out World Poultry and All About Feed websites. That's where all the scientists gather. Hamlin Protein is there too. The crux of the matter seems to be special supplements to the neonate chicks which build resistance to myotoxins. Let me see if I can look up the links or you. The interest in all this is of course chicken health but much more because now the world wants poultry raised without antibiotics but the diseases are still out there. Hang on a sec....
     
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  3. 3riverschick

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    Biomin. They are big into mycotoxin control and prevention.
    https://www.biomin.net/en/blog-post...=Reed&utm_campaign=MTXBlog&utm_medium=Mailing

    Here ya go. Lots of help in these sites. Companies with products to help solve your mycotoxin problems. Contact them and tell them your situation. They may be willing to send you a free sample of their product so they an see the results. Thank them and tout your positive results online. Perhaps on BYC or on the comments section of that companies website as a thank you. I was asking about building gut health preventively and contacted 2 different companies. Both offered to send me free samples for my flock when I was ready for them. This is wide open out there in "science research land". No one has all the answers yet and the companies are eager to help folk.

    Poultry World This is one of the mega site where everyone gathers.
    http://www.poultryworld.net/

    This is Hamlet Protein. They specialize in feeding the neonate animal and poultry to create better health and dsease resistance. Wonderful people and rigth hee in the USA in Findley, Ohio. http://us13.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d4673eef27dbefc10818b615a&id=e1f1536b50&e=b57e745bc7

    This is Elsevier. They publish high quality scientifc articles and journals. If I find something interesting, contact one of the authors with your questions. They are busy people, dont get offended if they don't answer or answer right away. maybe contact another author instead. I have found these researchers willing to talk about their interests and help bring them down to everyday level of helps for me. One caution tho, formulate your learned questions ahead of time and couch them in terms they will respect. Scientific terms. I found they respect someone who shows interest in their work thru the formulation of their questions, not someone who writes and asks to be spoon fed.
    http://www.animalfeedscience.com/issue/S0377840116X00156

    This is Poultry World After this issue came out. World Poultry and Poultry World merged. This is a great site with lots of good info. Just type mycoplasma in the search engines of all these sites ad you will be deluged with articles and studies. With companies touting their products to help built resistance to it and get animals thru it without dying. http://www.poultryworld.net/Digital-magazine/?intcmp=header%20actie

    This is Animal Feed Science and Technology. A neat journal from the folks at deepdyve: https://www.deepdyve.com/browse/jou...rnalsV2Email&utm_source=followJournalsV2Email

    Here is All About Feed. A great site with pithy articles on feeding and poulty health. Huge interest in the gut health. I agree. Have been studying neonatal gut development and health for 18 years privately in dogs and poultry. This is where the rubber meets the road in neonate health. The international push is to elevate in ovo and neonate gut health as a means of resisting myotoxins, and making it possible to raise chickens without antibiotics.
    http://www.allaboutfeed.net/
    Maintaining Gut Health In Poultry Webinar:
    https:/onlineseminar.nl/proagricamedia/webinar/14430/maintaining-gut-health-in-poultry/#watch

    Here's Nutraferma. An international company. Makes seveal products for poultey One of which is not available
    here in the USA. The blue circle on the left is a chicken. Click on that to see poultry products. At least two are
    touted as all natural. http://www.nutraferma.com/ They are the ons who sent me the webinar invite.
    I think it is the same webinar World Poultry is touting because it is at a big convention.
    All of the sites above are committed to helping create the best poultry gut possible in order to resist disease
    and make it possible to raise poultry wthout antibiotics.



    Best, Karen
     
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  4. BantyChooks

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    Bit of an older thread, but wanted to say I am in the exact same boat as you, Summerfest... Haven't been working on it long enough to give definite results, but there are absolutely birds that are resistant to it.
     
  5. 3riverschick

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    So much of this is concerned with interdicting the developmental timeline in the first two weeks of life .even in the first week of life .the gut develops so rapidly . if we can get those supplements in there , those specialized supplements , these birds will be able to better resist mycoplasma.
    There's no reason why we can't use the same supplements that commercial Growers are using on our backyard flocks. sometimes the companies may even give you a free sample.
    Best,
    Karen
     
  6. SunHwaKwon

    SunHwaKwon Overrun With Chickens

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    I think gut health can only do so much since it is a respiratory illness.

    Transmission may be transovarian, or by direct contact with birds, exudates, aerosols, airborne dust and feathers, and to a lesser extent fomites.

    http://www.thepoultrysite.com/disea...tion-mg-chronic-respiratory-disease-chickens/

    Your post before seemed to be about mycotoxins, though I admit I didn't read the links since they didn't seem relevant.
     
  7. 3riverschick

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    Hi,
    Watching the international poultry industry I don't think it matters which Myco one is talking about .
    the answer is going to be found in gut health .
    it may not be "all* the answer, but I truly believe that that's where you're going to find your Tipping Point. if we can get the gut health up to where it needs to be, I think it will be the Tipping Point in fighting both types of Myco.
    Best ,
    Karen
     
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  8. SunHwaKwon

    SunHwaKwon Overrun With Chickens

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    Mycoplasma is caused by a bacterial infection whereas mycotoxin is a toxin (aka chemical) produced by a fungus. The etiology and thus prevention and treatment are quite different.

    Gut health can only do so much for an infection in the lungs unless you are referring to boosting the immune system in general.
     
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  10. 3riverschick

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    Yes I am referring to boosting immune system in general ,starting with the gut health in the GI tract. It is a particular passion of mine.
    Best,
    Karen
     
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