Breeding for Red Pyle

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by mastiffsinky, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. mastiffsinky

    mastiffsinky Chillin' With My Peeps

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    What is the best way of going about and introducing this color into a breed? Also what is best to breed to them and what not to breed to them?

    Katie
     
  2. NYREDS

    NYREDS Overrun With Chickens

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    It would help to know what exactly you hope to do????
     
  3. mastiffsinky

    mastiffsinky Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:someone I know wants the color in Silkies. I am unfamilar with this color/pattern so was wondering if she bred a red pyle to a silkie, what color should she use, what color should she avoid, and so on.
     
  4. Kev

    Kev Overrun With Chickens

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    Red pyle is dominant white over black breasted red.

    Not sure if silkies actually have BBR but using partridges with dominant white can give birds that look like red pyles.

    The white in silkies are nearly all recessive whites so crossing with a white silkie will not work, as it works "different" from dominant white.

    To make red pyles will need to cross a partridge silkie with a bird that has dominant white(either a solid white bird you know has dominant white or a red pyle bird). It can be done straightforwardly by mating a bird with white to a pure partridge silkie each generation to fix the type and then when the type is good, cross two white birds together and pure pyles will happen.

    Dominant white works by preventing black pigments from expressing but has almost no effect on any gold/red pigments. It's easy to realize by looking at a black breasted red rooster and then at a pyle. All the black's gone, leaving the red on hackles, saddle and wing bows.

    Dominant white tends to have a dose effect, meaning little flecks of black tend to show up in the crosses.. however once the birds are pure for it, the white tends to be much clearer.

    Unfortunately, dominant white also has effect on skin pigmentation.. that is partly why red pyles and leghorns have such clear skins and legs. It will be some challenge keeping darker skin on a silkie with dominant white, however I have seen pics of a silkie with dark skin though so it's possible..
     
  5. fancyfowl4ever

    fancyfowl4ever Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Oh boy, so I could make Red Pyle Leghorns Using my BBReds and Whites?

    ...............Interesting........... [​IMG]
     
  6. herechickchick

    herechickchick Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am going to start my Red Pyle Bantam Araucana project this spring. I will start with Wild Type BBR Araucana hens and a Red Pyle OEGB roo. It will be a lot of work but I am excited for the challenge.

    Good Luck with your project.
     
  7. Kev

    Kev Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:Yes. However white leghorns often also have black & silver and may have mottling, blue, recessive white etc. Various genes to help make them a cleaner white. The cross will be mostly white with black flecks and the roosters probably will show red on hackles/saddles.. cross them again with a BBR and you should hit on a few BBR with the dominant white gene. You could probably make Crele leghorns too if the white line you use has barring in them. Crele is just barring over a BBRed bird. Those probably would have some popularity(even I might be interested, lol).
     
  8. Kev

    Kev Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:That would be pretty easy actually. Just repeat a few generations of birds with white to a pure BBR Araucana.
     
  9. fancyfowl4ever

    fancyfowl4ever Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Yes. However white leghorns often also have black & silver and may have mottling, blue, recessive white etc. Various genes to help make them a cleaner white. The cross will be mostly white with black flecks and the roosters probably will show red on hackles/saddles.. cross them again with a BBR and you should hit on a few BBR with the dominant white gene. You could probably make Crele leghorns too if the white line you use has barring in them. Crele is just barring over a BBRed bird. Those probably would have some popularity(even I might be interested, lol).

    I will use the hatchery white leghorns, I am guessing they are pretty consistent white genetically.

    We'll see what happens.
    Should look interesting no matter what.
     
  10. LilPeeps

    LilPeeps Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Some people are working on red pyle silkies. I have seen a red pyle silkie hen and she was beautiful, I'd love to see a male.
     

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