I had an interesting experience with Brinsea recently that I thought I'd share with you. I ordered a Hatchmaker still air incubator from their website a couple of weeks ago, thinking I'd use it as a dedicated hatching 'bator. A week went by and I hadn't received the ship notification email yet so I gave them a call. I spoke to a very nice lady who told me they were discontinuing the Hatchmaker and they no longer had any in stock. We discussed what else I could get that would serve the same purpose. She told me they have some of the Octagon 40 DX incubators that have factory scuffs and they are selling them at a discount price. Normally they cost $489, but these they are selling for $299. They still come with the warranty and are perfectly operational, the damage is just cosmetic. So I went with that! Sure couldn't beat the price. Anyway, it hasn't arrived yet so I'll have to let you know how bad the 'factory scuffs' are before I really pass judgement on it. But if any of you are in the market for a 'bator I thought you might be interested to know about this!