bronze cross

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  1. ramirezframing

    ramirezframing Overrun With Chickens

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    Anyone ever cross a bronze and a rp? whats the offspring like?
     
  2. Lagerdogger

    Lagerdogger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    It depends which is the tom. If you cross a tom bronze with hen RP, none of the hens will get the Narragansett gene, and the tom offspring will all have one narragansett gene, so the narragansett will not show through. All of the offspring will carry a black-winged gene and a gray gene, but becasue they are both recessive, they won't show either, and all the offspring will look like bronzes.

    However, if you use a royal palm tom and a bronze hen, everyone will still get recessive black-winged and gray genes that won't show, but the hens will all get one Naragansett gene. The Narragansett gene is sex-linked, so all the hens will look like Narragansetts, but the toms will still look like bronzes.

    If you cross these offspring back to bronzes, you will just get birds that look like bronzes, and some of the hens may look like narragansetts depending on sexes of the adults. However, if you cross them Royal Palms, you can get all sorts of things to numerous to mention now.
     
  3. ramirezframing

    ramirezframing Overrun With Chickens

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    Ok, will they take on the bronze size or rp's size?
     
  4. Lagerdogger

    Lagerdogger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Now that's an interesting question that is hardly ever talked about. Different color varieties usuall come with difference growth potential. So if you cross birds with different growth potentials, what do you get. I crossed a royal palm tom with a bourbon red hen last spring. The point was to get hens that could be crossed back to RP to get Golden Phoenix. So all the hens look like golden Narragansett while all the toms look like red bronze. I have two batches of these birds, some two weeks younger than my standard bronze, bourbon red, Narragansett and Royal Palm toms, and some four weeks younger. All of the younger toms are definitely larger than their father and the other RP tom, but a little smaller than the standard bronze toms. The hens are about the same size as the bourbon red hens. So I think, but don't know for sure, that size will generally match the color. Of course, there can be variation in size within a color as well, especially if breeding hens are not carefully chosen. This makes the question a little harder to annswer by crossing a few birds now and again. We might need some input from someone who crosses a ton of birds.
     
  5. ramirezframing

    ramirezframing Overrun With Chickens

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    ok, my tom is bronze and the friends hen is a rp. I noticed the size difference and was wondering. Thanks for the help.
     
  6. MissChicks

    MissChicks Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Interesting thread. I am hatching RP/Bronze eggs and some pure RP. I have a RP tom and a RP hen, and two bronze hens. I put 5 eggs in my brinsea 26 days ago. All 3 girls continued to lay and 2 are now sitting on a large clutch, at least a week behind my incubated eggs. Since we now have pipping in the bator, I started looking for clues on what to expect with my crossed poults. Thanks for sharing the info and I will update on this thread. - Susan
     

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