Buff Orpington experts...

[ckhd]

I have concerns about my rooster, i.e. do you see anything that does not meet breed standards? He's 7 Months old, if that makes a difference. If you KNOW Buff Orpingtons, please comment.

 

[ButtonquailGirl14]

Too Many comb points, I think that he has too much orange, and his tail is poor... You are going for American orpington right?

 

[ButtonquailGirl14]

How old is he?

 

[ckhd]

Yes, American Orpington standards. He is 7 months. I thought the same thing about the points, but wanted to ask someone who knew more than me. The fact that it's the first thing you mentioned means I was right.
Dang it, I really like this roo and wanted to use him for breeding, but he's not pure...
Thank you for answering.

 

[ButtonquailGirl14]

Yes, American Orpington standards. He is 7 months. I thought the same thing about the points, but wanted to ask someone who knew more than me. The fact that it's the first thing you mentioned means I was right.
Dang it, I really like this roo and wanted to use him for breeding, but he's not pure...
Thank you for answering.

he is pure, just not well bred.. he looks very sweet though! if your customers just want hens for eggs and or meat, and not for show, I'm sure you could still breed him most people just want friendly roosters

 

[sylviethecochin]

Err.... I don't show (nor do I care to) but I hear that comb points are pretty much the last thing a show judge looks at. Why don't you see what the people in https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/the-american-orpington-fanciers-thread.613857/ think of him? (It's an inactive thread. You may have to tag them to get their attention) Even if he isn't a show-winner, they could probably direct you to a place to buy quality orps--if you're serious about showing them, that is.

 

[sylviethecochin]

Also, better pictures. You want ones of his tail up, in daylight so they can actually see his colouration.

 

[nicalandia]

Dang it, I really like this roo and wanted to use him for breeding, but he's not pure...
Thank you for answering.

There is absolutely nothing on the pictures to indicate that he is "Not Pure" if that means that he is a cross or is the product of a recent outcross.

 

[ckhd]

So it's likely he is pure, just not bred well...

 

[ColtHandorf]

The rooster pictured is a pure Buff Orpington. He is not very type-y though. What that means, is that if you compared him to the American poultry Association's Standard of Perfection (APA SOP) he has certain flaws. He has too many points on his comb, his carriage/body shape is not correct. That being said many people do not breed to the APA. That is why you hear terms like Production Rhode Island Red versus Show Quality Rhode Island Red. Pet quality is another common term.

Here is the APA's SOP on the Opringtons:

The Orpingtons are of English origin and, from their first introduction in their native land, have been one of the most popular breeds of fowls. Their large size, early maturity and winter egg production soon gained for them a reputation in all parts of the world, until today, they are the most popular breed ever originated on English soil.

The originator introduced them in several colors, but the Buffs, Blacks and Whites were, from the first, the most popular. In these three varieties we have nothing to select from except our choice of color, as all are alike so far as size and shape govern. They are large and stately in appearance with rather long, round, deep bodies, full breasts and broad backs; the abundance of hackle and saddle feathers on the male giving the appearance of a rather short back.

The legs are rather short and stand well apart. Shanks large and nearly round. The skin of the three varieties is white. The shanks of the Buffs and Whites are white, or pinkish-white. The Orpingtons have the distinction of being the only breed recognized where all varieties have solid color, and no one variety can claim any distinction over the other, as all are alike popular.

The fanciers of the varieties are striving to maintain the color and shape, and to hold the Buffs with rich, golden buff surface color that harmonizes in all sections, with under-color free from white or black. The Blacks, with their lustrous black surface, free from purple bars. The Whites, with pure white plumage in all sections, free from brassiness.

STANDARD WEIGHTS.

Cock 10 lbs. Hen 8 lbs.

Cockerel 8$ lbs. Pullet 7 lbs.

SHAPE OF MALE.

Head: Rather long, broad, deep.

Beak: Short, stout, regularly curved.

Eyes: Large, oval.

Comb: Single, rather large, set firmly on head, perfectly straight and upright; five well-defined points, those at front and rear smaller than middle ones; fine in texture; blades free from serrations.

Wattles and Ear- Lobes: Wattles of medium size, well rounded at lower edges. Ear-lobes, medium size, oblong, smooth.

Neck: Rather short, well arched, with abundant hackle.

Wings: Of medium size, well folded; wing-fronts, well covered by breast feathers; wing-points, well covered by saddle feathers.

Back: Broad, medium, flat at shoulders, rising with a full concave sweep to tail; saddle feathers, of medium length, abundant.

Tail: Moderately long, fairly well spread, carried at an angle of forty-five degrees from the horizontal, forming no apparent angle with back where these sections join; sickles, of medium length, spreading laterally beyond main tail feathers; lesser sickles and tail-coverts, of medium length, nicely curved, sufficiently abundant to cover the main tail
feathers.

Breast: Broad, deep, and well rounded.

Body and Fluff: Body, broad, deep; keel-bone, rather long, straight, extending well forward. Fluff, moderately full.

Legs and Toes: Thighs, large, rather short, covered with soft feathers; shanks, short, stout in bone, smooth. Toes, of medium length, straight, strong, well spread. Shanks and toes, free from feathers and down.

SHAPE OF FEMALE.

Head : Rather large, broad, deep.

Beak: Short, stout, regularly curved.

Eyes: Large, oval.

Comb: Single, of medium size, set firmly on head, perfectly straight and upright; five well-defined points, those in front and rear smaller than middle ones; fine in texture.

Wattles and Ear-Lobes: Wattles, of medium length, fine in texture. Ear-lobes, of medium size, oblong.

Neck: Rather short, well arched, nicely tapering to head, having a moderately full hackle.

Wings: Of medium size, well folded.

Back: Broad, moderately long, rising with concave sweep to tail.

Tail: Moderately long, fairly well spread, carried at an angle of forty-five degrees from the horizontal; tail-coverts, abundant.

Breast: Broad, deep, well rounded.

Body and Fluff: Body, rather long, broad, deep; keel-bone, rather long, straight, extending well forward. Fluff, moderately full.

Legs and Toes: Thighs, large, rather short, covered with soft feathers; shanks, short, stout, set well apart, smooth. Toes, of medium length, straight, strong, well spread. Shanks and toes, free from feathers and down.


BUFF ORPINGTONS.

Disqualifications.

Positive white in ear-lobes covering more than one-third of the surface; yellow beak or skin; shanks other than white, or pinkish- white. (See general disqualifications.)

COLOR OF MALE.

Beak: White, or pinkish- white.

Eyes: Reddish- bay.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Ear-Lobes : Bright red.

Shanks and Toes: White, or pinkish- white.

Plumage: Surface throughout an even shade of rich, golden buff, free from shafting or mealy appearance; the head, neck, hackle, back, wing bows and saddle richly glossed. Under-color, a lighter shade of buff, free from foreign color. Different shades of buff in two or more sections, is a serious defect. A harmonious blending of buff in all sections is most desirable.

COLOR OF FEMALE.

Beak: White, or pinkish- white.

Eyes: Reddish-bay.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Ear- Lobes: Bright red.

Shanks and Toes: White, or pinkish- white.

Plumage: Surface throughout an even shade of rich, golden buff, free from shafting or mealy appearance, the head and neck plumage showing a luster of same shade as the rest of the plumage. Under-color, a lighter shade, free from foreign color. Different shades of buff in two or more sections, is a serious defect. A harmonious blending of buff in all sections is most desirable.

Personally I would look for another rooster that better meets the Standard if that's what your goal is. If you're just looking to produce Buff Orpingtons and the buyers understand these birds are bred for their temperament and egg production for example versus their adherence to the breed standard set forth by the APA then so be it.