Well we did the bumblefoot surgery on our roo tonight. My partner is a real trooper, she did the cutting...I was going to take pics but she was as stressed as the roo! We used a new scalpel (ubersharp..be careful if you use one) to cut across the scab quite deep, as deep as she dared go. There was no pus but there was some foreign object in there, possibly wood, and under that a little round "thingy" that was white and about the size of a kernal of barley. I hope that was the bumble??? We held his leg under water and massged it gently to see if we could get anything else out because the lump is quite large. NO JOY! She even used forceps to hold it open and dig around. It bled and we massaged, decided he was stressed enough, we put Kwikstop on it, and used the sugardine to pack it, wrapped it up and put him back in the coop. We have been giving him 1/2 CC PenG. It hasn't helped the lump go down but his hocks look better. Sorry about no pics but since there was no pus I wasn't sure if they would help, like I said my partner had stage fright. All said it wasn't too bad with all the supplies assembled and ready to go. Will keep you posted, seems like lots of bumblefoot going around. Since the anitbiotics weren't helping we decided surgery was necessary. Thanks for all the input!