BUYER BEWARE--what a Serama is suppose to look like

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Ondra's Seramas, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. Ondra's Seramas

    Ondra's Seramas Drowning in Seramas

    Feb 19, 2009
    North Central WA
    I have seen some seramas being posted that don't have good type. I just want to let everyone know what a serama i supposed to look like so they don't get ripped off. Here is an article from scnaonline.org , "Ideal Hen Updated" . I am going to show a picture of one nearly perfect hen. If you buy one of these, that is WONDERFUL. It is harder to get good type on females than males because the pose is more natural for them. I am also going to show pictures of some BYC breeders birds that I have seen on the online poultry show. These breeders are working hard to strive toward the standard. Their hens are more "average"good quality. Meaning that they have great birds but they aren't like one of the national champion birds. I would recommend buying a hen if it looks like theirs. The article:

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    This drawing represents the type to be working to-
    ward. The
    breast is very large and somewhat exaggerated in this
    drawing
    to stress the importance of it. The head and tail are
    shown touching. This is in pose and shows an extreme
    amount of reach, with full large breast and head and
    tail
    touching. Note that the wing is not touching the
    ground. This
    is very important. The wing should clear the ground
    and allow
    a small amount of the foot to show. This will keep the
    wings clean and from being tattered by being longer
    than the
    foot. A medium length leg is essential to achieving this
    wing
    carriage, as the short legs allow the wing to drag. In
    selecting
    within your breedings, remember to select toward these
    points
    of form. The males will be easier to breed into this
    form, as it
    is more natural to them. The females are further from
    this
    idea at this time and will take longer to select to this
    level. By
    selecting height, breast and reach-in-pose on the
    hens, while
    still keeping soundness and reproducibility in mind.

    Shape of the Female

    Comb: Single, small, set firmly and evenly on the head, straight and upright, evenly serrated with five regular and distinct points, the middle points the same length as the width of the blade, moderately arched, blade should extend well over the back of the head.

    Beak: Strong, stout, and well curved.

    Face: Small, rounded, smooth, fine in texture, free from wrinkle or folds.

    Eyes: Round, conspicuous.

    Wattles: Small, round, fine in texture, free from wrinkles or folds.

    Ear Lobes: Small, oval, fitting closely to head.

    Head: Small, carried well back in proud manner.

    Neck: Medium length, backward arched showing off breast, full, tapering gracefully from shoulders to head.

    Hackle: Abundant, flowing naturally from front of neck reaching far back covering both shoulders.

    Back: Short, broad, in profile, shaped like a V with neck and tail forming the vertical sides.

    Cushion: Short, feathers broad and plentiful.

    Tail: Moderately large and upright, carried in an upright position so as to almost contact the back of head.

    Main Tail: Feathers wide, moderately spread in a neatly overlapping manner, rising above the head, “A” shaped from the rear view.

    Coverts: Abundant, becoming very broad, flowing well up tail.

    Wings: Large, long, closely folded, carried vertically not quite touching the ground, Shoulders and Fronts: Prominent, slightly concealed by hackle.

    Bows: Well rounded.

    Coverts: Feathers broad, forming two distinct bars across wings.

    Primaries: Moderate width, rather long, completely concealed by secondaries.

    Secondaries: Broad, tapering convexly to rear, wing bay well exposed.

    Breast: Highly lifted, well developed, full, carried prominently forward beyond vertical line drawn from point of beak, broad and well rounded, from head to neck to breast – S shaped profile.

    Body & Stern: Body- short, good depth and width, sloping from front to rear. Stern: Fluff, short, abundant.

    Legs & Toes: Legs- average length -- widely set, parallel to each other without bowing or knock ed knees, well proportioned.

    Lower Thighs: Medium, stout at top and tapering to hocks.

    Shanks: Medium, smooth, round, evenly scaled.

    Toes: Four, straight, well and evenly spread, evenly scaled.

    Appearance: Small, broad, compact, active, tame, standing up majestically.

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    Here is a nearly perfect hen that did well in the "Cajun Classic" in Vacherie, Louisiana in April 18 and 19 2009. The caption under the picture, which I found on the SCNA forum is "Highest Scoring Bird at The Show

    96 - Cipora, "B" Black Tail Buff Hen - Jerry Schexnayder"



    "Ideal Male Updated" . I am going to show a picture of one nearly perfect rooster. If you buy one of these, that is WONDERFUL. I am also going to show pictures of some BYC breeders birds that I have seen on the online poultry show. These breeders are working hard to strive toward the standard. Their roosters are more "average"good quality. Meaning that they have great birds but they aren't perfect,like one of the national champion birds. I would recommend buying a hen if it looks like theirs. The article:


    This drawing shows the ideal form of the American
    Serama male. This drawing represents the type to be
    working toward. The breast is very large and some-
    what exaggerated in this drawing to stress the impor-
    tance of it. The head and tail are shown touching.
    This is in pose and shows an extreme amount of
    reach, with full large breast and head and tail touch-
    ing. Note that the wing is not touching the ground.
    This is very important. The wing should clear the
    ground and allow a small amount of the foot to show.
    This will keep the wings clean and from being tattered
    by being longer than the foot. A medium length leg is
    essential to achieving this wing carriage, as the short
    legs allow the wing to drag. In selecting within your
    breedings, remember to select toward these points of
    form. The males will be easier to breed into this form,
    as it is more natural to them. The females are further
    from this idea at this time and will take longer to select
    to this level. By selecting height, breast and reach-in-
    pose on the hens, while still keeping soundness and
    reproducibility in mind, we can produce this form with-
    out hurting the breed.

    Comb: Single, medium, set firmly and evenly on head, straight and upright, evenly serrated with five regular and distinct points, the middle points the same length as the width of the blade, moderately arched, blade should extend well over back of head.

    Beak: Strong, stout and well curved.

    Face: Small, rounded, smooth, fine in texture, free from wrinkle or folds.

    Eyes: Round, conspicuous.

    Wattles: Medium, round, fine in texture, free from wrinkles or folds.

    Ear Lobes: Small, oval, fitting closely to the head.

    Head: Small, carried well back in a proud manner.

    Neck: Medium length, backward arched, showing off breast, full, tapering gracefully from shoulders to head.

    Hackle: Abundant, flowing naturally from front of neck reaching far back covering both shoulders.

    Back: Short, broad, in profile, shaped like a 'V' with neck and tail forming the vertical sides.

    Tail Coverts & Saddle: Slightly curved, sword shaped hanging over the abdomen and covering back, widely spread, overlapping the tail and lesser sickles.

    Tail: Moderately large and upright, carried in an upright position so as to almost contact the back of head.

    Main Tail: Feathers wide, moderately spread in a neatly overlapping manner, rising above the head, “A” shaped from the rear view.

    Main Sickles: Medium to long, strong, firm, broad sword-shaped slightly curved.

    Lesser Sickles: Well-spread, medium length slightly upright, sword-shaped sickle feathers covered with coverts.

    Coverts: Abundant, becoming very broad, flowing well up tail.

    Wings: Large, long, closely folded, carried vertically not quite touching the ground, Shoulders and Fronts: Prominent, slightly concealed by hackle.

    Bows: Well rounded.

    Coverts: Feathers broad, forming two distinct bars across wings.

    Primaries: Moderate width, rather long, completely concealed by secondaries.

    Secondaries: Broad, tapering convexly to rear, wing bay well exposed.

    Breast: Highly lifted, well developed, full, carried prominently forward beyond the vertical line drawn from point of beak, broad and well rounded, from head to neck to breast – S shaped profile.

    Body & Stern: Body- short, good depth and width, sloping from front to rear. Stern: Fluff, short, abundant.

    Legs & Toes: Legs- average length, widely set, parallel to each other without bowing or knocked knees, well proportioned.

    Lower Thighs: Medium, stout at top and tapering to hocks.

    Shanks: Medium, smooth, round, evenly scaled.

    Toes: Four, straight, well and evenly spread, evenly scaled.

    Appearance: Small, broad, compact, active, tame, standing up majestically.

    Nearly perfect male:
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    A group by BluegrassBantams

    A frizzled cock by BluegrassBantams
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    chickn's rooster:
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    If I used your picture and you didn't want me to, PM me.
     
  2. BluegrassSeramas

    BluegrassSeramas Serama Savvy

    Aug 25, 2008
    Central Kentucky
    chickn.........LOVE your roo! What a great looking bird! [​IMG]

    ondra....Thanks sooo much for taking the time to make this post! [​IMG]

    If you are not sure if you have real Seramas or want to know the quality, Email me and I'd love to share what I know also! I love [​IMG] the breed and could talk [​IMG] about them and learn about them for HOURS! And have to the chagrin of my Non-chicken friends.... [​IMG]
     
  3. BluegrassSeramas

    BluegrassSeramas Serama Savvy

    Aug 25, 2008
    Central Kentucky
    Check this out!!!
     
  4. columbiacritter

    columbiacritter Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Went to look at the "Seramas" a friend bought at an auction last week. As far as I can tell they are OEG or Dutch, mostly, possibly with a bit of serama in them way back a generation or two. She bought 4 of them at $10 each.
     
  5. tberggren

    tberggren Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Wow, they look like they are military standing at attention.[​IMG]
     
  6. BluegrassSeramas

    BluegrassSeramas Serama Savvy

    Aug 25, 2008
    Central Kentucky
    Do your research everyone! [​IMG]
     
  7. BluegrassSeramas

    BluegrassSeramas Serama Savvy

    Aug 25, 2008
    Central Kentucky
    Also be careful of people that guarantee class size out of eggs...you cannot tell size or type out of eggs. You can breed 2 A class birds and get A, B, or C class. Ask for GOOD pictures of the breeders!!
     
  8. Hi! That's interesting.
    I'll get new pics of my Serama and you can tell me what you think.
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    Lisa
     
  9. KellyandKatie

    KellyandKatie Chillin' With My Peeps

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    thanks for posting- very helpful- you have great looking birds
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2009
  10. racuda

    racuda Chillin' With My Peeps

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