Hi, of course everyone would prefer to brag about hatch rate numbers, as would I(!), but I'm not the type to inflate these numbers as all of you know, many people do! Whether they play golf and take a "Mulligan"(free shot that doesn't count toward your "real" score), don't count that few minutes they are late, and consider it "on-time", or just plain ole' cheat or lie to impress..., whatever the case may be, I'm just trying to get a "standard" on how to consider/calculate a "TRUE" hatch rate! I'm on day 12 and originally had 30 eggs in the bator(15 shipped/15 local p-up) During candeling up to this day, I removed 15 eggs of which 14 had not even begun to grow(all cracked open w/no visible veining or dark-spots, just looked like "store eggs") and one that had a few tiny veins and little dark spot "heart" attached near air cell that must've died the first few days. The other 15 were all moving and developing at some point in the last few days and hopefully still are! Anyway, I know I have to count the 15 and feel I should count the one that had started but died early. Here comes the real question though: Do I count the 14 with no growth whatsoever, being that they may have been fertile but may have not started growing due hot-spots or other unknowns during the beginning of incubation, or should they not be factored in to the hatch rate at all??? I'm not a cheater(or liar), and my conscience would feel better knowing my accurate hatch-rate, out of the total 30, whether it already be in an area at 50%, or in the current growth out of the 16 eggs(which were definately fertile or undamaged during shipping), in the 90 plus percentile(they may not continue to all survive the next 9 days though and percentage may ultimately drop). How do others figure their rate honestly? Any input would be helpful...., Thanks All!