Can I get the color mutations in Jumbo Coturnix and good books on them

Discussion in 'Quail' started by kahlertm, Jan 24, 2011.

  1. kahlertm

    kahlertm Songster

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    I have been reading much of your threads if not all so that I can catch up.
    I am new and would like the size, but also the wonderful color mutations.

    I realize that the jumbo size comes in the A & M and the normal wild color Pharoah. What other color mutations seem to correlate with a sizable bird... Or is that achieved by your own breeding/selection program?

    Also I would like directions on the most informative books on Coturnix no matter where your research states they have come from. I would like to research with you and learn myself as well about their behavior, natural habitat, etc.



    Thanks
    Tonya
     
  2. mhwc56

    mhwc56 Songster

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    Alot of the size issue is related to the breeders' selection and also getting good sized breeding stock to start out with.
    Jumbos are just a size,any Coturnix color mutation is possible .
    You cann go to Quaillady's website for coturnix and she has alot of basic + info there
    "A & M"s are slightly bigger WHITE MEAT birds which dont seem to really exist . What you can get out there are just bigger sized white birds frequently with a splash or spot(s) of color on them.
    Honestly, i think your best source for the best information on Coturnix is NOT in any available book but HERE on this forum.There are folks on here who have been raising them for many years ,as well as those whose education is focused on them in 1 way or another...Quaillady ,JJ , Robo and a few others are knowledgable reliable people to get any info from.
    There are also Stickies at the top to read through.
     
  3. Fishman43

    Fishman43 Chirping

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    If a "white meat" bird does not exist, how is it there are so many people (members of this very forum) that list them on their websites for sale?

    I am not going to call anyone out in particular, but I have followed the links in signatures from this forum and find hatching eggs for sale that will produce white feathered & white meat birds.
     
  4. Stellar

    Stellar The Quail Lady

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    No clue. Some varieties are lighter than others in meat but I haven't seen white white meat in years.
     
  5. Robo

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    I advertise mine as English whites because I don't want to be part of the A&M debate. I still need to add some weight to my line though. Coturnix are Coturnix, Jumbo means a big coturnix, I have a Rosetta that outweighs all of my Jumbos so color does not matter. There is no white meat coturnix, just white feathers. It is all a myth and I choose to believe there are none out there.
     
  6. aprophet

    aprophet Songster

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    Quote:The skin will lighter from lack of pigmentation the flesh ( meat) looks like drumstick chicken meat to me on the TAM and the english whites I have bought. good luck with finding an all white meat bird. It is all tasty [​IMG]
     
  7. kahlertm

    kahlertm Songster

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    So I see that the reply is that you can breed any of the color mutations for a larger bird. I do love the Rosetta color. I was kind of hoping to get a nice color and a nice sized bird. The white meat debate does not reflect my question really. Just...can I get the dual purpose bird with beauty in color.

    I'll keep reading anywhere I can, including here.



    Tonya
     
  8. Robo

    Robo Songster

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    All coturnix are the same as the next. Different lines have different sizes, all of my different colors weigh almost exactly the same. My whites are a little on the small side at the moment, but in a few months they'll be fat.
     
  9. Stellar

    Stellar The Quail Lady

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    It is always possible to get a large bird...it's in the genes, by proper housing and feeding them correctly you can get them to potential size. If they don't get to the high weight by 8 weeks of age, they won't be carrying any gene in the next generation that will be worth while. If you cross to a large bird that does weigh a lot by 8 weeks, then yeah, the next generation should be large. Some varieties do take a bit longer than others though.
     
  10. JJMR794

    JJMR794 Crowing

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    Quote:BECAUSE THEY ARE FOWLING THE MARKETING MYTH THAT STARTED DECADES AGO WHEN THE COTURNIX BREEDERS WERE TRYING TO COMETE WITH BOB WHITES FOR MARKET SHARES... THE LINK SHOWS THE FINAL PAPER FILED ON THE TEXAS A&M PROJECT FROM THE MAN IN CHARGE OF IT - DR THORNBERRY... NOTE IT DOES NOT SAY WHITE MEAT. ALSO ANYONE THAT TELLS YOU THEY HAVE ORIGINAL TEXAS A&M QUAIL AND THEN SHOWS YOU A WHITE BIRD WITH OR WITHOUT A COLOR SPOT IS LYING! THE ORIGINAL TEXAS A&M (THE STRAIN RELEASED FROM THE UNIVERSITY BREEDING PROGRAM TO THE COMMERCIAL HATCHERIES WAS A JUMBO BROWN BIRD! NOT WHITE. THE WHITE CHANGE OCCURED SOME YEARS LATER AT THE COMMERCIAL HATCHERY LEVEL

    http://theurbanrancher.tamu.edu/retiredsite/animals/l5215.pdf

    THERE YA GO! ENJOY [​IMG]
     

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