I decided to try the lamp under box candler...It worked GREAT!! Here's my results! 16 Silkie Eggs-2 candled clear...(wait for it...)14 had veins!! 4 of them even moved for me!! 16 Frizzle Eggs-7 candled clear...9 had veins!! 2 of them moved for me!! And, dang it...My homemade candler doesn't work on your ameracauna eggs, Dipsy!! So those might be a mistery!!