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Can't tell if pigeon embryo has died or not please help!

Discussion in 'Pigeons and Doves' started by natty86, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. natty86

    natty86 New Egg

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    Hello all, I am currently a little out of my depth here.I am 100% new to all of this [​IMG] I'll try and keep it short. My son found two pigeon eggs under and tree on the ground in our back garden. We put them back and looked for the nest without luck. I wasn't convinced there was anything alive in there until i candled it. I honestly thought it would be easy to try and look after them with a home made incubator. Wow was i wrong. The one egg didn't look great when we brought them in and that later died. Where as the other one seemed to fight on. We saw heart beats, movement the lot and I've been on the humidity and temperature like mad! Setting alarms all over the place. Now though after checking egg today I'm not too sure if it's alive anymore [​IMG] i don't see movement just a black blob that looks like it's spread? with a few not too great veins. No blood ring (i don't think) i don't know it just doesn't look 'right' when i took the pic yesterday it actually looked like a embryo now it looks weird. any help would be great. P.s I've had the egg for 10days and the top pic is the latest one. Sorry about photo quality too.

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  2. jak2002003

    jak2002003 Overrun With Chickens

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    I don't know if the embryo has died of not... but I don't know how you are going to raise a pigeon squab from hatching yourself... as they newly hatched chick needs 'pigeon milk' to survive. There is no manufactured substitute for it.

    Without it the pigeon will die in the first few days 90 percent of the time. If, for some reason it survives it will be small, stunted and have a very weak immune system... which will likely cause it many health problems as it grows... and an nearly death.

    It would be better to stick to hatching out chicks or other birds that can be hand raised easily.
     
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  3. natty86

    natty86 New Egg

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    Thank you for your reply, but that's not the information I've got from other sources. I read this....

    Pigeon parents feed their young on what is termed 'pigeon milk'. This is not anything like dairy milk, although it is of the same color and consistency.

    Baby pigeons can be fed on Kaytee Exact Baby Formula, Egg Food, Natural Flavoured Complan (available in the UK) , or Chick Crumbs that have been soaked in hot (not boiling) water for half an hour, blended and passed through a sieve. In an emergency they can be fed puppy biscuits that have been soaked until they are fluffy.

    Also if the pigeon survives and does indeed hatch wouldn't that then be indeed 'a chick?'

    I'm confused.
     
  4. Pigeonbeast

    Pigeonbeast Just Hatched

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    Yes of course it'll be a chick :). Do you live in the USA? Hopefully if it does hatch, try using "Cream of Wheat", you can get warm water & add the cream of wheat & mix. You want it to be liquidy, not too pasty so it can pass through the chicks throat. Hope this helps!
     
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    Hokum Coco Overrun With Chickens

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  6. jak2002003

    jak2002003 Overrun With Chickens

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    Sorry, but you have been mislead with that information.

    Also a baby pigeon is technically called a squab, not a chick, but that does not really matter.

    The hatched squab has a very low chance of survival. It needs pigeon milk from pigeon parents to thrive.

    It is not like a chicken chick... which feeds itself after hatching, neither is it like a parakeet of parrot chick.... which does not require this special pigeon milk. The hand rearing formula you mention is designed for parakeets and parrots, not hand rearing pigeon squabs.

    The other foods you mention are all great when hand rearing older pigeon squabs.. perhaps ones that have fallen from the nest, or been rescued after a few days of life... after which time they will have had the pigeon milk in their early days already.

    This is why people commercially hand rear parrots / parakeets for sale, but no one does this with pigeons.

    I would advise you to let the egg chill and dispose of it. Why not use some chicken eggs or other fowl if you want to see the hatching process? I would be worried about the upset caused when the pigeon squab dies... but that is up to you if you can stand it.
     
  7. natty86

    natty86 New Egg

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    Thank you for your advice and help. Much appreciated.
     

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