Capillary worms? No appetite, inactive, CLEAR WATERY POO (new symptom)

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by cupcake, Jan 31, 2009.

  1. cupcake

    cupcake Out Of The Brooder

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    I'm hoping someone with experience with capillary worms (my only guess from what I've read so far) can help me identify or rule that out, and tell me how to treat. Or if it sounds like something different, what I might try/look for. Any general advice for stimulating the appetite would be good, too.

    Thanks for your help!

    1) What type of bird , age and weight.
    Dominique pullet, 10 mos, about 5 pounds (haven't weighed in a few months--will weigh tomorrow to see if she's down)

    2) What is the behavior, exactly.
    Not active & running around with the rest of the flock. Just kind of stands around by herself or heads into the coop. Doesn't rush to food like the others, and when they're all active pecking at the ground, she's just kind of standing there looking around, despite the flurry of activity.

    Not excited about food (will eat a little, but not enthusiastically, even treats). In the afternoon, her crop wasn't pronounced and full like everyone else's. For the last couple of days, I've noticed she picked a lot more than she ate, and today she seems rather indifferent to food. When she was picking at it, she almost seemed to have trouble eating it. When I hand fed her a little oatmeal, and she seemed briefly enthusiastic and got it down normally. But she doesn't rush to the food like everyone else, and even if she's separated & doesn't have to compete, she's not that interested.

    Her abdomen and the rest of her body feels normal. No discharge or respiratory symptoms. Vent looks clean and healthy. Eyes, feet & feathers look fine. She doesn't seem to be in pain.

    Since it got cold, I have noticed that she has been holding her head pulled back--not all the time, but more than the others (who only seem to do it when it's really really cold). I did see in Storey's Chickens under capillary worms: "When chickens sit around with their heads drawn in, capillary worms are the likely culprit." (p 276) I didn't see a reference to that anywhere else, though.

    Her comb & wattles look somewhat washed out and pinkish/orangish compared to everyone else's, but it does seem they've slowly faded since she started laying.

    The 8 other pullets of different breeds are active and normal.

    We occasionally (every couple months) get a wonky lopsided egg for a day or two, and we did get one the day before yesterday. But I don't think those are Peanut's eggs (they always look the same, and they first appeared well before she started laying).

    3) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma.
    No.

    4) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.
    The only thing difference I can think of is I've been giving them some oats with their scratch, but they always get a very varied diet, eating a lot of fruit & veggie scraps, stale crackers, etc.

    And it's been a weird winter, fluctuating between single-digit temperatures to record warm days like today (70!). It has been a lot warmer the last couple of days.

    5) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.
    Hasn't been eating much. I've seen her eat and drink a little.

    Everyone is on free choice 16% layer ration, with a scattering of scratch or oats and fruit & veggie scraps once or twice a day.

    6) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.
    I haven't seen any blood in the coop or yard & her vent's fine. I've only actually witnessed one poop. It was smaller than usual and green, which I read can happen when they're not eating enough.

    7) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?
    Just examining her/keeping an eye out for her today, and I gave her a little oil poured over some oatmeal, but she didn't eat much.

    8 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?
    I'm not beyond taking her to the vet if I think she has something they can easily fix, but I'm hoping to treat her myself.

    9) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
    n/a

    10) Describe the housing/bedding in use
    They have a hoop house with hay/wood chip bedding. Deep litter that's refreshed with a scattering of hay or chips every couple days. Smells normal, well ventilated. During they day, they're out in the yard, which is pretty much just dirt or snow this time of year.

    Thanks for your help!
     
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  2. #1California Chick

    #1California Chick Chillin' With My Peeps

    Dec 5, 2008
    SF Bay Area
    [​IMG] WELCOME TO BYC!!! [​IMG]

    I am sorry that you have to post for the first time with a problem!! [​IMG] That makes it so difficult for you!!!

    There are lots of knowledgeable people at BYC and they are friendly (and funny!! [​IMG]) too!!

    You did a GREAT job of laying out the problems with your chicken!!! [​IMG]

    I am hoping that someone with more experience will come on soon. However, it is late at night on the East Coast, so you may not get any response before tomorrow.

    Where do you live?? How many chickens do you have?? How large is the coop? the pen?? Have you recently brought new chickens into your flock without quarantining them for at least 30 days??

    Good Luck to you!!!
    Cindy
     
  3. cupcake

    cupcake Out Of The Brooder

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    Thanks! I've been lurking & getting lots of advice from other people's posts for some time, but when I couldn't find the same problem, I decided to jump in & ask for advice.

    I have 9 pullets raised from chicks last spring. None are new, and no people who raise chickens visit.

    Their hoop house is about 9x7, and their yard is odd shaped, but probably around 20 x 30. It's portable fencing and I move it in the summer for fresh turf, but everything's dead now.

    We're in Eastern Kansas.

    I'm hoping it's just nothing. I remember that right around when they started laying, one of them might be a little weird and off for a week every once in a while, and then they'd be perfectly normal. For lack of a better way to explain it, they just seemed a little dull-witted. It's not really alarming per se. I think it's just making a bigger impression this time because Peanut's always so frisky.
     
  4. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    First the earthworm is the host of Capillary worm. So indeed they could have them. I worm my birds with panacure wormer 3cc per gallon of water for 3 days then again 14 days later.
     
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  5. sammi

    sammi Chillin' With My Peeps

    Dec 21, 2007
    Southeast USA
    I think you should check the crop.
    feel for any lumps, or grainy feeling..describe how it feels..hard like a balloon..soft and squishy..etc..also check for sour odor.

    to know for sure about worms..you can take a fresh fecal sample to a vet for a worm and protozoa test..

    is it possible she is low in the pecking order and is being bullied?

    does she have any drainage from eyes or beak?
    any wheezing?

    do you have any poultry vitamins? if not..try and get some, in the meantime, you can use Poly-vi-sol liquid baby vitamins, Enfamil brand, no iron. ..give 2-3 drops on the beak once a day for a week, then taper off for another week. they are available at any pharmacy.

    moisten some layer feed with plain yogurt, or buttermilk..and cooked egg yolk...
    if she won't eat...AND THERE ISN'T A CROP PROBLEM..roll mixture into pellets and force feed...
    you can also try some scrambled egg.
     
  6. silkiechicken

    silkiechicken Staff PhD Premium Member

    And to add, one "quick and easy" way to check for worms is to take a fecal sample if you can get it to the vet for a "fecal float" test. This will let you know the types and kinds of worms/parasites inside the birds. That way you can get the right drug for the job as not all wormers/drugs are the same.

    Welcome and Good luck!

    Hope you can get her fixed right up! Boiled egg may be a nutritious energy packed supplement in the mean time if vits aren't on hand.
     
  7. chickenzoo

    chickenzoo Emu Hugger

    Worms and coccidia come to mind. The light color in her comb could mean she is anemic. Whenever my birds start losing weight, off feed or overly hungry and fluff up and stay by themselves, that's the first thing I look for. Safe guard goat wormer is like panacure and can be used for callap. worms etc. Amaprolium -(Corid) is used for coccidia, Sulmet if you can't find Corid.
     
  8. cupcake

    cupcake Out Of The Brooder

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    I think you should check the crop. feel for any lumps, or grainy feeling..describe how it feels..hard like a balloon..soft and squishy..etc..also check for sour odor.

    I had a hard time locating it this morning, but I think that's because it's more or less empty and feels watery. Her breath has no odor at all, but if it's something subtle, I might not notice it because I'm a little congested. Yesterday, at the end of the day, her crop felt gravely, but no big lumps that I noticed, and way less full than normal.

    is it possible she is low in the pecking order and is being bullied?

    I don't think so, because she's not appropriately interested in taking food even when she's alone (I locked everyone else out of the coop and fed her a little yesterday.) Non one seems to be picking on her or keeping her from eating, except that she's not making any effort.

    does she have any drainage from eyes or beak?
    any wheezing?

    NO.

    do you have any poultry vitamins? if not..try and get some, in the meantime, you can use Poly-vi-sol liquid baby vitamins, Enfamil brand, no iron. ..give 2-3 drops on the beak once a day for a week, then taper off for another week. they are available at any pharmacy.
    you can also try some scrambled egg.

    I'll get some today, plus some yogurt. And I'll see if she wants some scrambled egg right now. I definitely have eggs on hand.

    I do have yogurt culture on hand (I usually make my own). Does anyone know if that will help?​
     
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  9. cupcake

    cupcake Out Of The Brooder

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    I just brought her inside. She's not interested in the scrambled egg, lettuce, or pumpkin, and her poop is watery and clear. I know because she just pooped on me (oh, goody). Luckily (strangely?) it was odorless. I thought I must be really congested, so I went into the kitchen & had no trouble smelling half a dozen foods.

    There's a Orschlen about 40 minutes from here, the only place open on Sunday. I'm going to run and get some Panacur, the wormer for capillary worms and some poultry vitamins. The emergency vet there is pretty much just dogs & cats. They said they don't really know anything about chickens.

    Should I worm just her or everyone?
     
  10. cupcake

    cupcake Out Of The Brooder

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    Crud. I just called and they don't carry it.

    Her comb & wattles are brighter today.
     
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