chocolate X Lavender?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by pysankigirl, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. pysankigirl

    pysankigirl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    What happens when you cross chocolate with lavender anyone have any pictures?
     
  2. Ridgerunner

    Ridgerunner Chicken Obsessed

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    According to the chicken calculator, half will be black and half will be chocolate.

    http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html?mgt=E:E/E,I:I^d/i+&fgt=E:E/E,Lav:lav/lav

    Find and hit the “Calculate Crossing” button to see results.

    I have not done that myself and I am not personally familiar with either Lavender or Chocolate, so I’m not sure this will work for your specific chickens. The calculator assumes certain genetics for these names like Chocolate, but there are often different ways to make that color. For example, your Chocolates might be birchen with melanizers instead of based on extended black like the calculator assumes.
     
  3. pysankigirl

    pysankigirl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I guess I was really wondering what would happen if you did a second breeding with the offspring and got two lavender and two chocolate genes int he same bird...what would it look like.
     
  4. Ridgerunner

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    You are starting to complicate it a bit. When you start crossing offspring of crosses it can get really mixed up. Again I’m just going by the calculator since I’m not familiar with either Chocolate or Lavender, but you seem to have selected about as easy a cross as you can. The only two genes I see where you have a choice are the Dominant White and the Lavender. Everything else looks the same.

    What you might get with the crosses depends on which of the offspring you choose to carry on. You have a choice of Chocolate or Black rooster and a Chocolate or Black hen. If you go back to that calculator and hit the “Calculate Cross” button, you will get four choices, two hens or two roosters. Whichever ones of those you choose to cross will give you different results.

    After you hit that calculate cross button, go down and select “Continue with this male” for one and “Continue with this female” for the other, then hit the calculate cross button again. It will show you what you should get with that selection. For example, if you select the Chocolate male and Chocolate female, you might get Chocolate, Lavender, Khaki, or Black.

    If instead you choose the Chocolate (The calculator calls it fawn/dun) hen and Black rooster you might get Chocolate, Lavender, or Black, but no Khaki.

    Remember too that this is pretty simplistic. There are a lot of different genes out there that come into play. There is a real good chance that all your Lavender or Chocolate or Black or Khaki won’t look exactly the same. For example, in theory all the white cockerels in this photo should be solid white but you can see different red patterns and even different shades of red on them. That might give you an idea of the variation you can get in reality, not just theory.



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  5. pysankigirl

    pysankigirl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    LOL. I just wanted to know what the lavender would do to the chocolate if you were able to breed them until they were both true. I have Bantam Chocolate Orps and am getting some Lavender regular orps and was wondering what a breeding program would produce if you were to start a project between the two. I have looked at the calculator and it says "Khaki" is the end result after picking the right birds from the breeding after several generations of picking the right birds. I just don't want to even experiment with it if the combination is ugly in the long run


    So I'd love to see an actual combination of the two genes in real life, not just on the calculator and was wondering if anyone had actually done it..
     
  6. call ducks

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    So...

    Chocolate are you talking about sex-linked chocolate (choc) or dun (diluter of black)?

    If sex-linked (choc) and Lavender (Lav) you will get f1's that are split to lav. Meaning they have one copy of lavender and do not visually display it. When you cross those f1's together you should get some birds that are choc, some black, some lavender, some choc split to lav, and some black split to lav.

    This is also assuming that the lav and choc birds are based on E/E ( or extended black)
     

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